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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 18, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
Thread:
Zegras and Hughes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>
I mean Imagine if we judged Hughes on his Hockey IQ based on his first years play</div></div>
We did and we accurately saw that his hockey iq was insane and he was just physically immature and once he learned how to play in the league he would be a superstar in the league.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 18, 2023 at 11:35 p.m.
Thread:
Zegras and Hughes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jazzykiwi</b></div><div>I dont even know what to make of that Hughes trade. I dont see NJ trading Hughes anytime soon, but that is such a wild overpay they'd probably have to take it</div></div>
They wouldn’t because it completely tanks their just now opening window. All of those pieces are exterior pieces anyways and none are sure things. And it’ll take most of them 3-5 years before they truly hit their strides. By then, the other good pieces the Devils have will be exiting their primes.
Purely from a value standpoint, maybe this is close to what Jack is worth but from a contending standpoint, it’s awful for us.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 14, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread:
oh my Mantha
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Mantha has a chance of getting bought out this summer. If he does, maybe look at him then. But is incontrovertibly not a top-6 guy in NJ system.</div></div>
Incontrovertible is a bit of a stretch. There's absolutely a scenario where Holtz doesn't look like he's ready for those minutes and a regressed Mantha can hop in and compliment Nico or Jack and Bratt or Mercer or Meier in the top 6. Mantha was comfortably a top 6 winger prior to last season. He's getting bought out because of his contract, not because he's atrociously bad or anything.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Add Konecny and Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xertalz</b></div><div>Mid 1st value + (probably) late 1st in 2024 seems about fair to me. I think the Flyers could probably find another team that would offer more though</div></div>
I don't disagree with this tbf
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Add Konecny and Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xertalz</b></div><div>TK trade would probably be closer to something like Holtz and the '24 1st. Not sure how high the Devils are on him still tho </div></div>
I mean maybe? A lot of high end wingers have moved for much less recently, and most of them still had RFA status.
I'm not totally sure how high the team is on Holtz either, personally I still think he has a lot of value and is still one of the better goalscoring prospects in the world. Personally I think him and 1st is fair value for a player like Konecny but top line wingers seem to never move for fair value. The Devils particularly might have to overpay relative to other teams though given the rivalry.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Add Konecny and Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DangleCat</b></div><div>Also, I don't think Hall is untouchable by any means but you gotta give at least some value to get him. Probably at least what Boston paid Buffalo for him (2nd and a roster player).</div></div>
It's not that he doesn't have value it's the the Bruins literally need as much cap space as possible. They have sub $5M and 15 players right now. Hall's $6M is a lot for most teams to take o, so the market probably won't be massive, and it's probably the best way for them to free up space.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Add Konecny and Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DangleCat</b></div><div>Even if Taylor said he would only play for the devils they would still get more than a 5th...that is laughable at least try to make an actual trade.</div></div>
I mean maybe. B's need the cap space more than anything.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Add Konecny and Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sk540</b></div><div>Get the **** outta here with that TK trade, that's legit horrible.
That hall trade is a laugher too, why are these so one-sided to the Devils?</div></div>
Bruins need cap space. They have like 15 contracts and like $5M to work with.
Fair enough. I don't think it's too far off when compared to recent top line wingers being traded. Especially when he's a UFA at the end of two seasons. Personally I wouldn't have a problem adding more but the history is what it is.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread:
What if Jack wants to be a Canuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>Doesn’t even make up the large difference in that deal anyways</div></div>
Sure it does. You’re overvaluing the first round picks. You’re getting way more surplus value with Jack on his contract, locked up for another 7 years, plus arguably the best u21 defenseman in the league on an ELC and then a second deal, again where he’s providing a ton of surplus value.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
Thread:
oh my Mantha
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Foote, Holtz, any ELC….combined with $5.5m cap space will go a lot further.</div></div>
Holtz is already on that team. Mantha isn’t taking his spot.
I like Foote but his spot is in the bottom 6, likely bottom line, replacing Wood.
Mantha has a solid chance of regressing back to a solid top 6 winger, plus he has the size that everyone thinks we lack. Maybe there are better options but I don’t think Mantha is a bad one.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
Thread:
What if Jack wants to be a Canuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Turkish_Canuck</b></div><div>
Kuzmenko is the first consistent line mate Pettersson has had in his Canucks career, shooting at a reasonable percentage..</div></div>
Brother Kuzmenko is shooting at 26+% there is no universe where that’s reasonable
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
Thread:
What if Jack wants to be a Canuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>The sifference between Petey and Jack is definitely not 3 1sts, if anything, Pettersson might have the edge on him</div></div>
Did you miss the other Hughes in there?
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
Thread:
oh my Mantha
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>We have better options in-house to sit in press box. Pass on Mantha.</div></div>
Do we? Like who?
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Armchair-GM
May 23, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>It's not due to points I believe Casey was the best NCAA defenseman, it's due to tracked data from overall play.
Fitzgerald got a major steal in the 2nd round last year. Casey is a stud.
<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seamus Casey (NJD) remains at the top of the defencemen hierarchy in the NCAA, having the second-highest overall grade in the entire data set. The offence generation has been just nuts, a ton of individual scoring chances and also setting them up. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJDevils?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#NJDevils</a> <a href="https://t.co/b5x7oOgUVF" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/b5x7oOgUVF</a> <a href="https://t.co/KjFQfuRNVo" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/KjFQfuRNVo</a></p>— Lassi Alanen (@lassialanen) <a href="https://twitter.com/lassialanen/status/1630618732983644161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">February 28, 2023</a></blockquote>
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I’ve seen Lassi’s work and it’s great don’t get me wrong, but him scoring a 99 OA doesn’t make him automatically the best defenseman in the NCAA. I’m not saying he’s not a stud. I loved the pick and hopefully he can find a way onto the team someday.
I’m just skeptical given Fitzy’s preference towards bigger and longer defenseman, and also defensive guys that can support his offensive defensemen. I think it’s far more likely that Fitz views Casey as expendable because of that.
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Armchair-GM
May 22, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>This doesn't change the fact that your suggest trade is still not consistent with any recent 1st line winger trades with team control, such as Fiala, DeBrincat or Meier.
You're suggesting an overpay.</div></div>
None of those guys were signed for 5 years on a good contract nor were any coming off over point per game seasons (Fiala was actually). But sure, I tend to add more than what would probably be required as to not have fans of other teams screaming about underpaying. Realistically, it might not cost this much.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div> I'd love to get Keller in, there's a clear logic behind targeting him in a trade, I don't disagree with that.
I disagree with moving 1sts for the sake of moving 1sts, if anything contenders has a bigger need for a steady supply of rostered ELCs than non-contenders. That's how contenders stay contending (in this instance I don't mind trading the 2025 1st though, I do mind trading both Casey + Holtz on top of that).
Which brings us to Casey. I think there's a fairly clear path to him playing a huge role on a contending Devils team throughout the 20s'. Not next year, and maybe not the year after that, but in 25/26 there's a very good chance that Casey will have developed past John Marino as a hockey player. As such there will be many amazing future opportunities to trade Marino while not sacrificing any overall ability in the Devils RHD corps.
As a freshman, Casey was probably the best defenseman throughout the NCAA (even better than Luke Hughes) and if he keeps that the Devils have yet another dynamite young D to add to their future lineup. Dealing him now would be nothing if not premature.</div></div>
I'm not sure there's a very good chance that a 21 year old Seamus Casey is a better defender than a 28 year old John Marino. Maybe offensively, but certainly not defensively, which, with the influx of high end offensive defensemen like Hughes and Nemec, sound defensive guys are going to be even more important.
48 points in 39 games playing the 1D role for Luke vs 29 points in 37 playing 2nd pair. I'm not sure you have a convincing argument that Casey was a better defenseman that Luke, and certianly not the best defenseman in the NCAA (nor best freshman defenseman when Lane Hutson exists)
You're not wrong on the need for ELCs on contending teams, so sure, one of Holtz or Casey probably doesn't have to be in this deal. But again, I like to make these slight overpays to avoid the classic ACGM bias towards your favorite teams own players.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 22, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>It's rich but I don't think it's as far off as it seems? Keller is on a pretty sweet deal and is younger than all reasonable comps. I would probably do this.</div></div>
Hey buddy. This top 6 would be insane.
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Armchair-GM
May 22, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>This is VERY rich for a winger, I don't see any reasonable comps to warrant that sort of return.
If one of Holtz or Casey was dropped from the deal it could make sense, preferably Casey as Keller would likely take Holtz's spot on the Devils roster going forward.</div></div>
It is rich but very few wingers are in great contracts locked up for 5 years. And these next 5 years are THE most important years for this team.
This would give the Devils what? The best top 6 in the entire league? Top 3 at least. A solid bottom 6 too that can be swapped out in a couple years.
We’ve kicked open our contention window so 1st should be moved basically every year. Casey has almost no path to playing for this Devils team.
All in all, two A or B (not S tier) prospects, what is likely a late first and an extra high-ish pick seems like a pricey but worth it deal for a point per game winger on a surplus value deal for 5 years.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 22, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>I would be shocked if it was "more than Holtz" but I can see him wanting Muk over Casey. Muk has actually developed into something much better than he showed at draft time.</div></div>
I can easily see (dumb) GMs getting enamored with Muk’s size and tools and prefer him to a winger who they might think is stagnating in development (he’s not but they might think that)
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Armchair-GM
May 22, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
Thread:
Devils add Keller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>If Meier didn't get Holtz why would Keller get Holtz and Casey?</div></div>
Keller is signed on a good deal for 5 more years. Meier had an easy route to UFA status in 1.5 seasons
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 20, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
Thread:
Devils Offseason Moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>No way mantha costs that much</div></div>
Probably just a 4th I just didn’t want Caps fans in here freaking out lol
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 3, 2023 at 8:20 a.m.
Thread:
We still need a goalie before we are a legit team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>don't see jersey having the money to sign hellebuyck or sorokin (both will i imagine be looking for 8x8mil) but i also think the roster will be good enough that they'll be able to get by with a goalie who's just good enough like colorado has done</div></div>
We’d definitely have enough money to sign either, it just might take losing someone like Mercer or finding a way to move the Palat contract. Would be infinitely easier if we just didn’t have Palat to begin with.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 3, 2023 at 10:33 a.m.
Thread:
Devils add some more Swiss
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MorHitzSeider</b></div><div>Hey we took a 7th in 2025 for Vrana. 🤣</div></div>
Special situation I guess but yeah... not ideal
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 3, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.
Thread:
Devils add some more Swiss
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MorHitzSeider</b></div><div>3rd is fine. 👍</div></div>
Seemed like a fair price. I added the 6th cause the 3rd is in 2024
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 2, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread:
Domi and Bjugstad for Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Well, the 2nd we got for Kane has a condition to turn into a 1st if the NYR's make the eastern conference finals. So, that is why he is saying he probably doesn't want to help the Rangers competition. You'd probably need to include a 1st to convince CHI otherwise.</div></div>
Ohhhh hahaha yeah that makes sense
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 2, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread:
Domi and Bjugstad for Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>I'd do Trenin before Domi. He has an extra yr. He's not C but fits better. NSH wants the Jeannot return, dont see that happening but they should try WTH!</div></div>
Definitely have interest in Trenin too. Great PKer too.
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