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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2023 at 1:43 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3, 2023 at 12:33 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakenTheCode</b></div><div>The closest player Seattle has to a cap dump is Driedger. A change of scenery might be a good way for him to re-establish himself as a viable NHL goalie, as he's a bit of a question mark right now.

If Seattle trades for Karlsson he'd be supplanting Justin Schultz both on the right side of the defense and on the power play, meaning Schultz would also likely be on the move. However since Schultz has positive value Seattle would be able to get assets from a contending team, so he doesn't really fit the idea of a cap dump you're looking for. Ultimately trading for Karlsson is a big risk due to his age, term, and cap hit, even with the retained salary. Whether the Kraken make a move for Karlsson will ultimately depend on whether the offensive boost is worth that risk along with the trade cost.</div></div>

Okay that makes sense. I think that while I love that SEA is doing, I think that a star like Karlsson would greatly bolster both their even strength points, and PP points. SEA also has a couple cut down defenders that I think Karlsson could pair well with. While it may not be the perfect solution, I think that Karlsson could add some great star power to their roster that they don’t really have right now. I don’t know if that’s SEA’s solution, but he would do great there I believe. I think (as a biased sharks fan) that they should take a swing on it, however, like you said, the deal is risky because his contract length and age, even for 8 million.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 24, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
Thread: SJS TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>In general, most NHL-active prospects are substantially more valuable than first round picks as they're playing at a discount. ELCs tend to be about half the cost as a typical "quality depth" contract (think Nuutivara) or offer far more still and talent than a typical depth deal (think MacDonald). Given Edmonton's cap situation, how highly Broberg is valued by the organization, and the ceiling he may or may not have, any deal that sees Broberg moved cannot happen. Holland actually shut talks down on Chychrun once Broberg's name came up.

Karlsson's contract is a unique case and I almost don't care about what other teams are paying for cap space right now: Erik Karlsson as he is today is not a guarantee. His production plummeted last year which presents an inordinate amount of risk on the side acquiring him. <strong>San Jose is not retaining on this deal as a favour to Edmonton, but to simply make the contract moveable.</strong> At $11.5M nobody can acquire Karlsson, and nobody should given his injury history and the remaining term on the deal. At the rumoured $2.1M retention, the deal starts to become more palatable and thus discussions about moving the contract can occur. However, we need to maintain a sense of realism: how many contending teams can accommodate a &gt;$9M contract come deadline time? Taking back salary at this point, especially if the Sharks refuse to retain past that rumoured $2.1M mark, is necessary and you no longer get to ask for assets in exchange for that returned salary.

Right now your offer is essentially a top prospect and a third round pick over what I and other Oiler fans will find reasonable and I really think that just comes down to misinterpreting what you're getting in exchange for Karlsson. Bouchard is his immediate replacement. If the Oilers had the luxury of time, Bouchard's name would never enter trade conversations. His underlying numbers are in the ballpark of Hamilton-esque to Karlsson-esque. This piece is the crux of the deal, he is not a throw in. Likewise, Barrie is not a cap dump: he's in the upper echelon for point production and possession numbers this season. Realistically, he has been for 4 of the last 5 seasons. You treat him like a cap dump when acquired from Edmonton but sell at a premium to Pittsburgh: the inconsistencies in your math do not add up. Why doesn't Edmonton just pay less for Karlsson, as they no longer need to include Barrie in the deal, and recoup assets from another team?

I think it's reasonable that most contending teams should be able to accrue about $2M in cap space come the deadline. If we take the retention of $2.1M to heart, this would suppose that the Sharks should be able to expect about $7.4M in salary cap to be returned in a Karlsson deal. The combination of Barrie, Bouchard, and Puljujarvi comes in at just over $8.3M. There is no discrepancy here that would suggest that Broberg and another midround pick be included to facilitate a trade. San Jose can walk away with extra 2023 and 2024 first round picks in tow, a graduated prospect in Bouchard who will in time replace Karlsson as San Jose's #1RD, and a quality puck-moving rearguard that can be flipped at a profit next year. All I would ask is a C-prospect (Coe), Lorentz (depth for Edmonton), and maybe the return of San Jose's 6th round selections in both years as I personally do not like the idea of moving high picks out without low ones being returned.

The Sharks set the precedent of moving out a quality offensive RHD with limiting suitors when they hucked Burns to the Hurricanes for essentially nothing and retained a boatload in the process. Karlsson may be a step up, and the deadline is always more expensive than the offseason, but there's a limit to what the Sharks can actually ask in exchange for Karlsson. The alternative is no trade at all, and by the time he can be moved, San Jose is likely not getting anything of value returned.</div></div>


I totally agree, from what I’ve seen, I would value Broberg higher than a first round pick, especially from the oilers who would most likely have a pick in the mid-high 20s. Taking out Broberg and instead adding a 2024 1st rd pick, do you think that would be a fair deal? The 3rd round pick can also be moved to another team like AZ or CHI with another pick, maybe even if the sharks for some retention.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 24, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
Thread: SJS TDL