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Modeling a 3 way Hertl trade after the Duchene trade

Created by: TanSor
Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 27, 2021
Published: Jan. 27, 2021
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Description
This idea is all contingent on the Sharks tearing their team down and entering a rebuild, of course, so assume for this post that Wilson decides to rebuild.

Hertl and Duchene at the time he was traded to Ottawa are very similar assets: good 1C's who are signed for an additional season at 27 years old. Both have/had a 70 point season under their belt. Hertl has been more of a late bloomer so his point totals aren't as robust as Duchene's, but I think Hertl should be a 70ish point player for the next 5-6 years, if not longer, and that was the expectation for Duchene at the time he was traded.

It's important to remember that Turris had been a 50-60 point center the 3-4 seasons prior to being traded, so he was thought of as a solid 2C.

Recap of the 2017 Duchene trade:
OTT gave up: Turris, 2019 OTT 1st, 2019 OTT 3rd, Hammond, and Shane Bowers
OTT received: Duchene

NSH gave up: Girard, Kamenev, and a 2018 NSH 2nd
NSH received: Turris

COL gave up: Duchene
COL received: 2019 OTT 1st, 2018 NSH 2nd, 2019 OTT 3rd, Girard, Kamenev, Hammond, and Shane Bowers


My proposal for Hertl:
MIN gives up: Dumba, Johansson (cap dump), 2021 PIT 1st, 2021 PIT 3rd
MIN gets: Hertl, Gustafsson
It's a big price to pay, but it's nearly identical to what the Sens gave up in 2017 for Duchene. The Wild finally get a 70 point center who is good on the dot, can make plays, can score, can skate, and is solid in his own zone. It's also important to note that this would also keep Kaprizov and Fiala happy because you have to imagine they aren't too thrilled about Victor Rask being their center right now.

PHI gives up: Frost, Rubtsov, Gustafsson (cap dump), 2021 2nd
PHI gets: Dumba
It's no secret Philly needs help on the blue line especially with Niskanen retiring. Dumba showed he's capable of being a dynamic player before he tore his pec two seasons ago and while he hasn't been quite the same player, he has created a ton of scoring chances for us this year and I think he'd be great on Philly's top pairing with Provorov. Chuck Fletcher drafted Dumba in 2012 so that is an added connection here. Frost is a similar prospect to Girard at the time he was traded, Frost being someone with top 6 upside and Girard with top 4. Rubtsov is similar to Kamenev in that he will likely be a depth NHL player at the very least but he has been disappointing so far. If Rubtsov is someone the Flyers covet still, you can substitute him for any prospect you feel should be a depth NHL player with a tiny bit of potential for more. Added wrinkle here is the cap space, so Gustafsson is included to relieve Philly of cap space.

SJS gives up: Hertl
SJS gets: Johansson (cap dump), 2021 PIT 1st, 2021 PHI 2nd, 2021 PIT 3rd, Frost, Rubtsov
Sharks get quite the haul here and it's nearly identical to what the Avs got for Duchene. Only difference is the Wild won't have the cap space to keep Johansson, so he is moved here. If the Sharks prefer a defenseman they can have their choice of Cole or Gustafsson.
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SJS
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Johansson, Marcus
  3. Rubtsov, German
  4. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
  6. 2021 3rd round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,674,424$0$925,000$3,825,576
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,487,500$1,487,500
C
UFA - 1
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$7,538,462$7,538,462
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 2
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$2,050,000$2,050,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,538,462$7,538,462
LD
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UFA - 5
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$7,575,000$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 3
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$4,166,667$4,166,667
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$725,000$725,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$700,000$700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 5
Taxi Squad
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1

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Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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Buljujarvi
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Interesting.. sharks likely decline but you’re seriously undervaluing Gustafsson here. He’s regained 18-19 form in Philly and comparing him to Cole is a mistake.
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Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
Interesting.. sharks likely decline but you’re seriously undervaluing Gustafsson here. He’s regained 18-19 form in Philly and comparing him to Cole is a mistake.


I've seen him on the third pairing or scratched in a ton of Philly threads, haven't seen many Flyers games this year. If that's true then this probably doesn't work unless the Flyers can move Ghost somewhere else but my assumption was that if people are scratching Gustafsson/putting him on the third pairing when the Flyers need blue line help, he can't be having that great of a season.
Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:22 p.m.
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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
Interesting.. sharks likely decline but you’re seriously undervaluing Gustafsson here. He’s regained 18-19 form in Philly and comparing him to Cole is a mistake.


Gustafson has been terrible this year. A few points on the power play didn't make up for his awful 5v5 play this year which has got him scratched. Dude has worse defense than Ghost. I think the Sharks are getting a bit hosed on this trade.
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Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:23 p.m.
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This is really brilliant. Too many pieces to actually happen exactly this way, but it's a workable and rational framework.

I can't see San Jose turning this down. They're heading for a collapse without serious changes. Remember how the Kings looked in 2016?
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Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:24 p.m.
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Rubtsov is no good. Think it'd have to be better prospect than him to get SJ interested.

But I like the idea though.
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