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If we didn’t trade Kane and ROR

Created by: Jdfitz77
Team: 2018-19 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 3, 2018
Published: Aug. 3, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
To get under the Cap, all we’d have to do is trade Larsson, Girgensons or Beaulieu- which would be no biggie
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$4,000,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. O'Reilly, Ryan
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*if the trade never happened
STL
  1. Berglund, Patrik
  2. Sobotka, Vladimír
  3. Thompson, Tage
  4. 2019 1st round pick (STL)
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (STL)
2.
SJS
  1. O'Regan, Danny
  2. 2019 1st round pick (SJS)
3.
BUF
    Late round picks... not necessarily to ARZ, could be wherever
    4.
    BUF
      Pick, could be wherever though
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      2021
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$79,500,000$68,312,024$0$3,700,000$11,187,976
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      $5,725,000$5,725,000
      LW, RW
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      $10,000,000$10,000,000
      C
      UFA - 8
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 5
      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      LW, C
      RFA - 2
      $4,000,000$4,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 7
      $1,875,000$1,875,000
      C
      UFA - 5
      $787,500$787,500
      RW
      UFA - 1
      $650,000$650,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
      $715,000$715,000
      RW
      UFA - 1
      $1,050,000$1,050,000
      LW
      UFA - 2
      $787,500$787,500
      C
      UFA - 1
      $650,000$650,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
      LD/RD
      UFA - 3
      $5,400,000$5,400,000
      RD
      UFA - 4
      $2,750,000$2,750,000
      G
      UFA - 3
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
      $5,142,857$5,142,857
      RD
      UFA - 2
      $750,000$750,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      $1,600,000$1,600,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      $812,500$812,500
      RD
      UFA - 2
      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      LD
      UFA - 2

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      Aug. 3, 2018 at 10:19 a.m.
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      The finances are just whack. Still think we're better off
      Aug. 3, 2018 at 10:34 a.m.
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      First - you are a player short which puts you over the cap. Second - if you had kept those guys you would not have traded for Skinner and Sheary.
      Aug. 3, 2018 at 10:43 a.m.
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      Quoting: ISeeDeadPeople
      The finances are just whack. Still think we're better off


      Quoting: Gofnut999
      First - you are a player short which puts you over the cap. Second - if you had kept those guys you would not have traded for Skinner and Sheary.


      This is a prediction for the Sabres last year https://thehockeywriters.com/predictions-2017-18-nhl-season/
      Buffalo had to trade away O'Reilly because he did not want to be here. Skinner waived his NMC, Berglund waived his NTC, Pominville waived his NTC. they want to play in Buffalo. Buffalo should have been in the playoff hunt but if your two highest paid players do not want to play, they need to go. This team is much better from the top to the bottom.
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      Aug. 3, 2018 at 10:44 a.m.
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      Quoting: Gofnut999
      First - you are a player short which puts you over the cap. Second - if you had kept those guys you would not have traded for Skinner and Sheary.


      1) you don’t NEED to carry 23... but, I’ll readjust & trade Pommer so we will have plenty of room
      2) maybe not, but I’m just showing we could’ve kept Kane & ROR and still been under the Cap
      Aug. 3, 2018 at 10:48 a.m.
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      Quoting: GMTD
      This is a prediction for the Sabres last year https://thehockeywriters.com/predictions-2017-18-nhl-season/
      Buffalo had to trade away O'Reilly because he did not want to be here. Skinner waived his NMC, Berglund waived his NTC, Pominville waived his NTC. they want to play in Buffalo. Buffalo should have been in the playoff hunt but if your two highest paid players do not want to play, they need to go. This team is much better from the top to the bottom.


      I think you are much better off today than you were a year ago. With the Habs Sens, Wings in the division there is no reason why this team can’t make a playoff push this year now. Just stay healthy.
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      Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.
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      Quoting: Gofnut999
      I think you are much better off today than you were a year ago. With the Habs Sens, Wings in the division there is no reason why this team can’t make a playoff push this year now. Just stay healthy.


      I think we are in the mix now,
      but we still need a lot of things to go right for us

      Regardless...
      things are finally looking up
      Aug. 3, 2018 at 11:59 a.m.
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      I think botterill got bent on both trades. Having said that, hockey is less like football, baseball, and basketball where 3/4 of the teams know they have no chance. There is more randomness in hockey and what we had before wasnt working, ill oversimplify and say it was the room. So a few pieces get changed and it changes the whole thing. I still think its a cardinal sin to walk away from those 2 players and get no top end assets back. Im not hopeful because botterill has dazzled me with what hes brought in, im hopeful because the randomness is back in play now that new players have been brought in. Heres hoping that having 10 lhd isnt a deal breaker.
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      Aug. 3, 2018 at 12:08 p.m.
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      Quoting: sabres89
      I think botterill got bent on both trades. Having said that, hockey is less like football, baseball, and basketball where 3/4 of the teams know they have no chance. There is more randomness in hockey and what we had before wasnt working, ill oversimplify and say it was the room. So a few pieces get changed and it changes the whole thing. I still think its a cardinal sin to walk away from those 2 players and get no top end assets back. Im not hopeful because botterill has dazzled me with what hes brought in, im hopeful because the randomness is back in play now that new players have been brought in. Heres hoping that having 10 lhd isnt a deal breaker.


      I think we have a chance to compete for a playoff spot now
      We’d need a lot of things to go right for us though
      Aug. 3, 2018 at 9:54 p.m.
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      Quoting: sabres89
      I think botterill got bent on both trades. Having said that, hockey is less like football, baseball, and basketball where 3/4 of the teams know they have no chance. There is more randomness in hockey and what we had before wasnt working, ill oversimplify and say it was the room. So a few pieces get changed and it changes the whole thing. I still think its a cardinal sin to walk away from those 2 players and get no top end assets back. Im not hopeful because botterill has dazzled me with what hes brought in, im hopeful because the randomness is back in play now that new players have been brought in. Heres hoping that having 10 lhd isnt a deal breaker.


      Compare the team Betterall inherited from DATM to current version.
      Kane = Skinner
      O'Reilly >> Mittelstadt (if Casey plays as he did last year and during the 3 on 3, this difference may melt away)
      Lehner/ Nielson < Hutton/Ullmark
      Foligno < Berglund
      Moulson << Pominville
      Ennis < Sobotka
      Deslauriers < Sheary
      Carrier < Wilson
      Grant << Rodrigues
      Franson < Scandella
      Georges =< Beaulieu
      Kulikov <<<< Dahlin
      That 2016-2017 team finished with 79 points.
      If Colorado can go from 48 to 95 points last year, I would think Buffalo could at least go from 61 to 90 now that the cancer is gone.
      In addition Betterall added Pilut, Hickey, O’Regan, Oglevie and Thompson. All prospects who could be on the team next year.
      I guess he is not dazzling you, because his hands are moving too quickly to see what he has done.
      Aug. 4, 2018 at 2:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: GMTD
      Compare the team Betterall inherited from DATM to current version.
      Kane = Skinner
      O'Reilly >> Mittelstadt (if Casey plays as he did last year and during the 3 on 3, this difference may melt away)
      Lehner/ Nielson < Hutton/Ullmark
      Foligno < Berglund
      Moulson << Pominville
      Ennis < Sobotka
      Deslauriers < Sheary
      Carrier < Wilson
      Grant << Rodrigues
      Franson < Scandella
      Georges =< Beaulieu
      Kulikov <<<< Dahlin
      That 2016-2017 team finished with 79 points.
      If Colorado can go from 48 to 95 points last year, I would think Buffalo could at least go from 61 to 90 now that the cancer is gone.
      In addition Betterall added Pilut, Hickey, O’Regan, Oglevie and Thompson. All prospects who could be on the team next year.
      I guess he is not dazzling you, because his hands are moving too quickly to see what he has done.


      Still A LOT of “ifs” though
      And still holes to be filled

      Botts work is FAR from done

      We do have a chance to be a playoff contender if things go right...
      but if things go wrong (goaltending, Mitts or Dahlin struggle), then we could easily be picking top10 again too
       
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