Nylander isn't gonna get moved.

You’re trading Nylander not Tavares

This is gonna be his 4th season. Next year will be the beginning of a lockout, which would be his 5th season.
My guess is the RFA years are dropped after 5 seasons in the new CBA. Nylander probably isn't signing long term in toronto. Which means, next year, they will have lost all leverage. Especially if the following years season is cut in half due to a strike. Right now is probably the most trade value they will ever get out of him.

Lol, Thank you!

Just wondering why you think the value is off here? Is it the 1st round pick?

I think so. I value Girard very highly as well. I think Girard and Kerfoot together is too much, I think Girard, a conditional 2nd, and a B prospect would be good value

We have no use for Girard but I would say the value is close, no need for the first. I would actually rather keerfoot and a pick, more like a 2nd. But really if we were to target anyone it would be Johnson not a forward or a left D.

Yeah that makes more sense. No point of trading Nylander for a forward. It’s like dumping water on yourself while in a pool

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Avs are not moving all that for Nylander, get real thats a delusional return for him

I wouldn't even more Girard for Nylander right now. He is a very special player and his potential is through the roof. Nylander had an great season but I wouldn't move Girard for him based on just how special he looked at 19 years old at this league. For a Dman, and an undersized one at that, his potential is too tempting to give up

Fair enough.

Its not slight on Nylander, hes an great player as well, but Girard on top of a pretty solid guy in Kerfoot and a 1st. That just a crazy offer,
Kerfoot had 43 points last year so is 18 point improvement in a player really worth a 1st rounder and a young Top 4 Dman? hell no

As a Leafs fan.....Colorado says no thanks.

Their GM already stated that they are looking to lock up Nylander long term. They are going to need him anyways. Matthews right now does not have an elite winger to play with and Tyler Ennis on his line does not cut it. Ennis is a bottom 6 winger while Nylander is a top line winger with an elite skill set. He isint going anywhere.

Doesn't matter what the GM says. He isn't signed. They aren't close on the numbers. He wants paid. No way he's gonna sit there and not get paid after they handed JT a pile of cash, and are going to hand piles of cash to Matthews and Marner. He doesn't have to sign long term anything. He signs short term and then the CBA hits. He becomes a UFA sooner, and gets his money on the open market. Toronto can't tie their salary cap up in 4 players.
They got 40 mil in cap space next year. But Mathews and Marner are gonna take up what 20 of that. Matthews is atleast 11, Marner probably 8. Really depends what Panarin is gonna sign for will set his market value. That gives you 20 left roughly speaking. For 6 forwads ( one of which would be Nylander), 3 defensemen and a back up goalie. Even at league minimums they can't really afford it if they give one of those forwards aka Mylander 7-8 mil a year. That would leave 12-13 million left for 9 guys. Not to mention how bad the team will look with that many players being bottom of the barrel league minimum guys. There aren't enough solid rookies in the system to replace that. This is why they should trade him,.

This is why he's not signed yet. Toronto has no choice but to try to low ball him because they can't low ball Matthews and they would rather low ball Nylander than Marner. Who is probably looking at Draisaitl, type money.
Tornoto really is in a trade him situation. If not this year than next. Because he's worth 7-8 on the open market. Once the CBA lowers that age, it's all over. You will have basically 2 years of him including this year then he's out the door. Next year when everyone knows you are going to lose him, and everyone knows you are up against the cap, his value drops like a rock for a trade. This is their best chance to trade him. Period.

They arn't low balling him. He's not even worth 7-8 mill. More like 6-6.5 mill comparable to Ehlers who makes 6 mill and David Pastrnak at 6.6. They are both just as good if not better then Nylander and make more. Im sure they will sort things out and come to a fair agreement.

I like the discussion. Nylander is 7 mil a season which would account for 8.9% of cap. Leafs can't afford to keep him or Gardner. After Marner's performance last night I believe there is a possibility he will be better than both Matthews and Tavares. So I guestimate Matthews at 11.5mil and Marner's at 9 mil. Better sign Nylander, pay him his 7mil and hope for a miracle on defense and a cup.

Pastrnak is a horrible example to go by.
Go look at his stats. He played 3 years before signing that contract and only the year before he signed was actually impressive.
They were at a point in deciding if he was a 1 hit wonder or what. Nylander has been solid for 2 straight years, and the 3rd aka his rookie year he was playing well as well although he didn't play many games.
It's really not a fair comparison or situation. Pastrnak could have turned around and flopped and his contract reflected that. He had less ground to negotiate because there was less of a track record. On top of it the cap has gone up, so that accounts for some increase in contract.

He's worth 7 mil. No doubt his agent is saying that. Also the few hundred thousand you think you are saving at 6.5 or whatever, isn't going to solve the salary cap issue. It's still a really bad spot to be in. There are a lot of holes, and not much cap space. You tie it all up in a hand full of players. That means you won't have much talent anywhere else. Depth is what wins.

Well lol if they lose Nylander they will def lose alot of depth to their lineup. Hes a big time piece to their team and having someone like Tyler Ennis on their top line is not going to cut it. Matthews needs an elite winger to play with if they want to be able to roll all four lines effectively. That's what happens when teams have good players. They become tighter against the salary cap. If they all the cap space in the world to work with then they prob would not have a very good team. Either that or they give out bad contracts. All good players want to get paid. I dont see how trading away a 22 year old elite winger that has not even scratched the surface as far as potential goes makes their team any better.

because you won't have any defensemen with the skill to move the puck out of your own zone. Thats why. You will be rolling with guys on 2 million salaries. Good luck with that. It's barely above league minimum.
You don't simply win with forwards. You need a complete team. You tie up 1/2 your cap space in like 5 forwards. Then try to "build" the rest of the team, it doesn't work.

They have plenty of guys on the back end that can skate and move the puck quickly out of their zone. Their only big problem on the blueline is Hainsey getting too many minutes and playing on the top pair. Hainsey does not skate very well, move the puck quick enough, and also hes old. He will be replaced next year with one of their top D prospects. Anyways, they still need to be stacked at Center and the Wings if they want to contend. Especially center. Centers are heavily relied upon to play both defense and offense and now they have 3, maybe 4 solid two-way centers which they did not have in the playoffs last season. Without Nylander though their depth is too weak on RW and their already thin on LW. They would not even have enough up front to compete with the better teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh, or Washington. They got great centers but also need good wingers to support Matthews, Tavares, and Kadri. Right now 3rd line is weak. Kadri is basically carrying that line. Ennis is also not a top 6 winger. If Nylander is in the lineup they would actually have 2 elite wingers playing on the top 2 lines and Ennis could be a great option in the bottom 6. They got alot more problems then just their blue line. Without Nylander they are too weak on the wings.

I don't think Nylander makes that much of a difference. Furthermore, it's much easier to find a winger than blue line help. When it comes to the playoffs you can have a defense man play 30 minutes a night if they are really good. Nylander will be lucky he see's 20.

The real problem isn't this year. It's next year when those contracts hit and they watch 1/2 their blueline leave.

Yea but no one is going to trade an elite level dman for Nylander, so in that case he is not worth trading. Mine as well keep him. His skill set is through the roof anyways. Insane stick handling ability combined with smooth skating and a good wrist shot. He has great chemistry with Matthews already too so why break that up? They need as many good players as possible in their system. Trading him away just for the the hell of it is not the way to go plus they got some promising D prospects that will be Leafs soon and they will take over for some of their departing D.