2019-20 Cap Trouble No Trades

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Quoting: palhal

Yes but his cap hit can be traded. I've changed my mind since December. Due to Marleau's ineffective play, I think he retires. Don't think the Leafs would have made the Muzzin deal without knowing Marleau is retiring. We'll see.

That makes total sense. I just hope they win the Stanley Cup because that all but seals it.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

When has a full out "signed his papers" retired player ever been traded?

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

When has a full out "signed his papers" retired player ever been traded?

Trade him, then retire.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

It's over $1.25M in savings, that's going to be pretty useful no matter what happens. Bracco is having a better season (statistically) than Moore in the AHL this year, and he's 2 years younger. He's ready to graduate.

IMO, one way or the other, Bracco is an NHLer next year.

Yeah, I just hate using a top 9 guy on the 4th line. I think Moore is more the 4th line type. I agree that money could be better used elsewhere but it's the Zaitsev contract that is hindering the Leafs.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: dzad96

Is it possible to trade Marleau to the Yotes. Then have the Yotes trade him right back and retain half his salary? incetivise them with a pick. for example trade Marleau for a 7th. Then trade him back for a 3rd with half his salary retained. Kind of a strange idea, but possible none the less?

League wouldn't allow it. They didn't like the Orpik move last summer, and this is worse.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

When has a full out "signed his papers" retired player ever been traded?

Did Datsyuk not retire from the NHL? He went to the KHL right?

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:29 p.m.

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Quoting: dzad96

Trade him, then retire.

That's the 5% chance. They could trade him after July 1st (his bonus get's paid) if he wants to retire.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:30 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

Did Datsyuk not retire from the NHL? He went to the KHL right?

He left, didn't retire. Same as Kovalchuk.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:30 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

Did Datsyuk not retire from the NHL? He went to the KHL right?

he was traded to the yotes before he officially retired. everyone knew he was going to tho. so for example trade marleau on july 1 and he can retire july 2.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

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Yeah personally I just can't see how any agent or anyone argues that Marner get more than Kucherov's 9.5 and don't anyone start talking to me about all that state tax bs. Biz does enough of that.

The new comparable will be Mark Stone's $9.5M... Marner will get at least $9.5 and the ask will probably be higher since he views himself closer to Matthews.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.

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Quoting: minervabone

The new comparable will be Mark Stone's $9.5M... Marner will get at least $9.5 and the ask will probably be higher since he views himself closer to Matthews.

Just because Mark Stone is overpaid doesn't mean Marner needs to be. Similar but opposite to the Pastrnak Willy agrument of a few months ago, just because Pasta is underpaid doesn't mean Willy should be too.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:33 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

Well, I've been pondering moving Kadri for Pesce type deal for awhile.

Then Bracco (who's an amazing playmaker) gets to play with close friend Matthews (best goal scoring C in the league).

Which allows best friends Nylander (at C) play with Kappy and terrorize 3rd lines/pairs for the foreseeable future.

This would be my preference as opposed to dealing Nylander (I'm in the minority on this one).

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:34 p.m.

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Leafs winning the friendship cup next year? lol

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:35 p.m.

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And if Marner gets 10.9 Mil I will be Shocked. hes gotta be 9-10.

the Only way Marner gets 9-10 only, he is taking a hometown discount. He is a 11 million dollar player at min

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:35 p.m.

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Who tf is Scott Mayfield?

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Yotes don’t want to do that and it is cap circumvention and not allowed. Have to wait a year.

Marleau would need to retire. I’m not positive as to whether we can pay him his bonus on July 1st and then have him retire as incentive.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Herms17

the Only way Marner gets 9-10 only, he is taking a hometown discount. He is a 11 million dollar player at min

Lol at min. So he's gotta be paid top 5 in the league at min? 11 is absolute max, not min there pal. look up how many players in the league make 11 or more and get back to me

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:37 p.m.

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I agree that the Leafs should keep Nylander. The problem with offensive players is they are streaky. With the big 4 all there you have great odds that at least one of them will be hot. Lately that seems to by Nylander. This will be extrapolated in the offseason.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:37 p.m.

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Leafs winning the friendship cup next year? lol

We'd have to find a way to keep Rielly's bf Gardiner if we want to compete for the Friendship Cup.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:38 p.m.

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Quoting: dzad96

Trade him, then retire.

Quoting: Barilko14

That's the 5% chance. They could trade him after July 1st (his bonus get's paid) if he wants to retire.

Marleau’s contract can be traded after he retires with no cba issues and would cost a team zero dollars. He may also be traded and then retire. I find it much more convincing that he retires first and then his contract is traded.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Herms17

the Only way Marner gets 9-10 only, he is taking a hometown discount. He is a 11 million dollar player at min

I felt the close to $11 mil contract was pretty good. Obviously I hope he signs for less for the sake of the team but he'll get paid well.

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:39 p.m.

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I do not think that Stone is overpaid. I do however think that Kucherov is underpaid. I think if Dubas signs Marner under $9.5M, he did very well. Contracts are just going up and things will calm down again after the next lockout and the new CBA will protects GMs from themselves again.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:40 p.m.

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Who tf is Scott Mayfield?

One of the six defensemen on the NHL's number one defense, with a cap hit of only $1.45M for several more years.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:40 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

I felt the close to $11 mil contract was pretty good. Obviously I hope he signs for less for the sake of the team but he'll get paid well.

11 ties him for 3rd highest paid player in the league, that just simply is not happening.

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Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:45 p.m.

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Can you provide proof of that?

Feb. 27, 2019 at 4:45 p.m.

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