Yeah But,

who are you taking at 5 and 7?

i'm Curious

Trading 6 draft picks for 1 is a bad idea, even if it is the 7th overall pick.

Sabres say no

Much rather take the chance we get a difference maker on an elc. This isnt really tempting at all.

This would be a complete steal for Buffalo if they were really skilled at drafting in the middle and later rounds.

7 could end up like another Nylander who really hasn't looked that good thus far, so who would you rather have Alex Nylander or all of that package?

Take a look at our later round picks going back 20 years. If we took all of those picks, we would end up with maybe two guys that meet the low bar for success of playing 100 nhl games. We dont develop goal scorers after round one, nor top line d. Thats a couple responsible two way penalty killers- that you can get somewhere else. I looked up recent 7oa after the lottery- skinner, nurse, dumba, schiefle, kadri. This is not a tough choice. We have drafted 8oa 3 times recently- ristolainen, nylander, mittlestadt. Two are nhl players, one is a maybe.

Edit- if i offered ristolainen and all of our picks after 7oa for 5oa would you take that? Because thats a trade im interested in.

Buffalo says no or the city riots

As a Kings fan, I say, Please tell me what element of this trade do you think is more valuable than the rights to Boldy/Caufield/Kaliyev?

Sure, I would love to gull Botterill into this. But I don't think . . . oh, why should I even finish this sentence?

If you're dumping contracts like that, you have to get rid of Kovalchuk. Also, buffalo says no.

Thanks. I saw this post https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/218324&pid=823262 and wondered what other AG would think. I should not have included Carter he is certainly a deal breaker. But Martinez and Toffoli certainly add value.




I tend to agree while adding Toffoli and Martinez makes this a loser for the Kings IMO.

Read below, it could be a steal for the Sabres.

That is a good point, but Toffoli and Martinez have a lot of value. Take Carter out and replace him with a prospect

See below Buffalo drafts from 1999 to 2009, and people think Buffalo drafted poorly, as you said if they drafted well, it could be a steal.

Very good. Two points the Sabres later picks and Ristolainen.
I looked at the Sabre picks from 1999 to 2009. I stopped at 2009 because while there are some very good players drafted after the first round their careers are too short to be certain of their value.
1999 Ryan Miller G 5th 757 0 11 11
2000 Paul Gaustad C 7th 727 89 142 231
2001 Jason Pominville R 2nd 1060 293 434 727
2001 Chris Thorburn R 2nd 801 53 81 134
2001 Derek Roy C 2nd 738 189 335 524
2002 Dennis Wideman D 8th 815 99 288 387
2003 Jan Hejda D 4th 627 25 110 135
2003 Clarke MacArthur L 3rd 552 133 171 304
2004 Andrej Sekera D 3rd 707 45 191 236
2005 Chris Butler D 4th 407 14 72 86
2007 Paul Byron L 6th 419 85 90 175
2009 Marcus Foligno L 4th 506 64 94 158
2009 Brayden McNabb D 3rd 395 16 65 81
The Sabres have 5 defensemen with Sekera and Wideman being my top pairing and Butler, McNabb and Hajda among my bottom 4
Two thirds of a top line with Roy at center and Pominville at RW, so put Clark MacArther at LW, not a great top line, but pretty fair
No 2nd line but a really solid 3rd line of Foligno, Gaustad and Byron
Then they have a pretty good GK named Ryan Miller.
I know this is over a long period but the point is there is a pretty good chance that we may find a Miller, Sekera, Wideman, Pominville or Roy among those picks just as easily draft a Nylander who would be not as good as Foligno, Byron, McNabb, Butler or Thorburn. So if this an 11 period and our recent 8th round draft picks are Mittelstadt, Ristolainen and Nylander, you are correct, trading for the picks is a loser but Toffoli alone could be as good as Mittelstadt and is a sure thing and the Sabres' have about 50% chance of drafting a top GK, defenseman or line man, and nearly a 100% chance of getting a decent NHL player (every one I listed has at least a 5 year NHL career) among all of those picks.
As a Kings fan, I would make the Ristolainen trade because he is worth the 5th OA alone and then I get a 2nd first, 4th, 3 6ths and a 7th.




While those are very good prospects they are only prospects. They could all turn out to be Puljujarvi, Juolevi, Nylander, Dylan Strome, Bennett, Michael Dal Colle, Jake Virtanen or Haydn Fleury all taken between 2014 and 2016 BEFORE the 7th OA. So Toffoli, Martinez and 6 more picks for the Sabres 7th over all. Maybe the Kings find a William Nylander, but maybe the Sabres find a Ryan Miller, Jason Pominville, Sekera, Wideman or Roy among the later picks as well.

Maybe him instead of Carter, good idea.

Very good. Two points the Sabres later picks and Ristolainen.
I looked at the Sabre picks from 1999 to 2009. I stopped at 2009 because while there are some very good players drafted after the first round their careers are too short to be certain of their value.
1999 Ryan Miller G 5th 757 0 11 11
2000 Paul Gaustad C 7th 727 89 142 231
2001 Jason Pominville R 2nd 1060 293 434 727
2001 Chris Thorburn R 2nd 801 53 81 134
2001 Derek Roy C 2nd 738 189 335 524
2002 Dennis Wideman D 8th 815 99 288 387
2003 Jan Hejda D 4th 627 25 110 135
2003 Clarke MacArthur L 3rd 552 133 171 304
2004 Andrej Sekera D 3rd 707 45 191 236
2005 Chris Butler D 4th 407 14 72 86
2007 Paul Byron L 6th 419 85 90 175
2009 Marcus Foligno L 4th 506 64 94 158
2009 Brayden McNabb D 3rd 395 16 65 81
The Sabres have 5 defensemen with Sekera and Wideman being my top pairing and Butler, McNabb and Hajda among my bottom 4
Two thirds of a top line with Roy at center and Pominville at RW, so put Clark MacArther at LW, not a great top line, but pretty fair
No 2nd line but a really solid 3rd line of Foligno, Gaustad and Byron
Then they have a pretty good GK named Ryan Miller.
I know this is over a long period but the point is there is a pretty good chance that we may find a Miller, Sekera, Wideman, Pominville or Roy among those picks just as easily draft a Nylander who would be not as good as Foligno, Byron, McNabb, Butler or Thorburn. So if this an 11 period and our recent 8th round draft picks are Mittelstadt, Ristolainen and Nylander, you are correct, trading for the picks is a loser but Toffoli alone could be as good as Mittelstadt and is a sure thing and the Sabres' have about 50% chance of drafting a top GK, defenseman or line man, and nearly a 100% chance of getting a decent NHL player (every one I listed has at least a 5 year NHL career) among all of those picks.
As a Kings fan, I would make the Ristolainen trade because he is worth the 5th OA alone and then I get a 2nd first, 4th, 3 6ths and a 7th.


Thank you for looking all of this up, i think i was pretty close with my assessment. Miller was an all star goalie that was picked late- goalies are rarely picked early anymore, so trading all of your later picks probably hurts your goalie depth chart. After that you have pominville and roy- 2 players that were solid middle 6 forwards on a couple good teams, and out of their depths as top line forwards later on. Its funny, pominville is so beloved he will get a statue next to the french connection, and roy was hated by many sabres fans- actually i kinda wanna see what a roy statue would look like. I wouldnt trade any of the 7oa i mentioned (dumba, nurse, schiefele, kadri, skinner...) for roy and pominville. Thats not to say that we couldnt use a roy or pominville, its just that its long odds that we even hit on that from outside of round one, and im a sucker for difference makers, the kind you get at 7oa.

I agree, but the Kings are taking the bigger risk here. Toffoli and Martinez while not worth a first round pick have already demonstrated that they are NHL players. The Kings are risking drafting a Puljujarvi, Juolevi, Nylander, Dylan Strome, Bennett, Michael Dal Colle, Jake Virtanen or Haydn Fleury all taken between 2014 and 2016 BEFORE the 7th OA. So from first OA to sixth OA it is still nearly 50% of missing. The point I was making that in addition to Toffoli and Martinez it is still about 50% chance to get a top 4 defenseman or top 6 forward or top GK among the collection of picks. I know many people hate trading first round draft picks but that is one pick. Martinez had the best PDO among all Kings defensemen, and Toffoli would be a decent RW and if he could regain his scoring touch could get 25 to 30 goals. It would be a huge gamble from both Kings and Sabres, but if I were the Sabres and could replace Carter with a prospect, then the Sabres win and I would make the trade. But I may be wrong and both teams would most likely reject the trade especially without Carter.