Detroit wouldn't be willing to part with the one guy that would be of interest to the Avs.......AA.

I think that the trade would for sure get it done. You have to remember that it is only 2 spots. I think even the SJS second or the third rounder would get it done with Svech in the mix.

I'd be ok with this.

Rasmussen would be preferred as Svechnikov is waiver eligible and no way he would be a lock to make the Avs roster and have to carry him just to protect him.

Svechnikov is waiver wire eligible, not worth the gamble so I assume they would either want more picks or Rasmussen instead of him

Colorado probably doesn't take this. 2 spots is a lot that high in the draft.

I could see this happening to be honest, If Dach is their guy, im sure they would be happy to move back 2 spots to take him while picking up an extra draft pick or 2. Svechnikov wouldnt move the needle in the deal, dont see him as a valuable piece since he is waiver wire eligible and wouldnt make the Avs roster regardless.

Lets say they grabbed 2 extra 2nd round picks. Bc of Duchene Avs get Dach, Nolan Foote in 2nd round, Mads Sogaard 2nd round, and Sens 3rd Anttoni Honka. They are just laughing at the little haul this trade tree is starting to build on,

I'm not sure that is a given. AA could potentially be traded in this scenario, but Detroit wouldn't give up as much. It would probably have to be something like swap picks 4 and 6, and Colorado gets AA and Detroit gets Colorado's 2nd round pick. Not sure that gets done, but I don't think AA is untouchable.

A 30 goal scorer that's 24 years old and still under team control for at least 2 more years is a ridiculous ask for moving up 2 spots in the draft. According to the 2011 NHL draft value chart (the most recent I could find quickly) the 4th pick is worth: 783 and the 6th pick is worth: 702. The Wings own #35 worth: 222, #54 worth: 182, and #60 worth: 175. So all it should take is Wings #1 and Wings 2R60 to move up 2 slots and still give the Avs value.Especially when the Avs have picked so many d-men and the Wings are moving up 2 spots to take one. Meaning LA or another team takes a forward and the Avs still get their 2nd choice (and still a Tier 2 guy in the draft) and an extra 2nd round pick.

Asking for AA (under team control for 2 more years) would require the Avs to give up their 1st, 2nd, 1st in 2020 to start talks. The more appropriate trade would be a package around Cale Makar.

Overpay...see aboveThat's just ridiculous. You are valuing a 24 year old 30 goal score under team control for at least 2 years as worth the same as a bottom of the 2nd round pick in terms of value....see above. Come trade deadline when AA has only 1 and 1/4 more years of team control do you not think the Wings could get a 1st rounder for him? Why do you think he's worth less now with 2 years of team control?

Actually, Svech isn’t waiver eligible this year, since he missed the entire 2018-2019 season, he didn’t accrue enough time, so he’ll start in GR next year.

While DET needs Dman, they still need talent overall. I doubt Stevie would move anyone to move up 2 spots, including picks. One of the players they need will be available at 6: Byram, Turcotte, Dach, Zegras, and Cozens (probably in that order). They need Cs as well as Dmen.

I’d say the chances of them moving back are far greater than moving up.

Its right on this site that he isnt waiver exempt so im going off what they have him listed as required waivers.

No he isn't, Due to his injury he gets a year reprieve. He's waiver wire eligible next season not this season.

then go tell cap friendly that they have him listed wrong bc thats what it says for him when you check him out with the waivers calculator

The team already confirmed he isn’t waiver eligible. Stevie said it in 2 of his interviews, and Svech’s agent confirmed it. Capfriendly will get it fixed when the league season starts.

good to know, but I dont listen to Yzerman interviews so of course I would check on this site for the info

Well capfriendly is wrong on Svechnikov's waiver wire eligibility. He gets another year of eligibility due to him being out for the entire season. Capfriendly obviously hasn't updated it yet.

Read and comprehend. I didn't say at any point what the Avs would be parting with for AA. Only that he would be the only player likely to interest them!

Edit: To believe it would take a package based around Makar or those picks for AA is just red tinted glasses and crass stupidity.

No, to be fair, it isn't a given but he's the only one I can see the Avs being interested in, and obviously the trade would be totally different.

I agree AA is worth more. I was just trying to show that AA is not untouchable. I think he would be worth more than that 2nd round pick and swapping. I was just spit-balling that offer. Colorado won't part with Cale Makar though.

Agreed he's worth a first (Not necessarily the OTT 1st) plus 'x' and 'x', probably picks or prospects, and Detroit not adding anything more to AA, but like you said it won't be Colorado parting with Makar. All I was saying is that AA is probably the only asset DET have that the Avs would covet. Especially now his hands seem to have caught up with his feet. AA and MacK would be plain scary!

You replied to a thread about Detroit moving up 2 spots in the draft in order to get ahead of LA who would grab Byram if he makes it to 5. Everyone knows Colorado has picked d-men recently and is looking for a center with size--so they aren't taking Byram so that means it's either Chicago (who need a scoring center) or LA.

I read and comprehended fine. You just got called out as completely undervaluing a 24 year old 30 goal score and probably the 2nd fastest skater in the league (McDavid, Athanasiou, Larkin, then MacKinnon). His puck control skills are no where near the other fastest skaters, but you simply can't teach top end speed.

Trust me if Detroit offered their 1st in 2019 and the NYI's 2nd that is a value Colorado wouldn't pass up. But that's a huge cost to move up 2 positions when one of those teams is going to be drafting a forward and you are targeting a d-man. Look at the 2011 NHL draft pick value chart if you don't want to take my word for it.

Here is a more updated version: http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/DraftPickValueChart2016_Schuckers.pdf

Makes the drop off more prevalent per pick.

No I didn't get called out on anything as I clarified as you fail to read or comprehend. Show me where exactly I said that the Wings would need to give up AA to move up the two spots. I merely stated that the only player the Avs would be interested in is AA. Nothing about AA needing to be in it to move up. So comprehension obviously isn't your strong suit. I don't need to look at any value chart (especially from 8 years ago) and most things like that are absolute guesses at any rate, with who is taken where after the top two (or maybe three in some years) or at best written after the fact for specific years. Your argument that this is the value is null and void. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were worth how little? Sakic always says he'll take the best player available so if that's Byram and he thinks he's the best player available he'll take him. It would need a huge overpay to move up. The last time anyone did that was a move up one place from 12th to 11th for their own first and a third. One place and not even in the top ten. Prior to that in 2008 the Leafs moved up two places to 5th from 7th for their own first plus a second and a third. So yes it can be done but you're going to pay through the nose. If you believe a first, low second and a guy who is unlikely to make the starting roster for the Avs and is a maybe/maybe not prospect (regardless of being taken in the first round) is enough to move into the top 4 then fine but I doubt Burnaby Joe would. From Detroit's angle I don't believe Stevie Y is that dumb to give up those pieces to move up two places. He'll wait his turn, hold onto the other pick and take the best player available and wait to see if the Russian turns into the next Datsyuk. After 1 & 2 it's a crap shoot, so why waste assets? Cozens, Dach, Turcotte are all pretty much even. Byram is coveted by some teams as he's the only high D, besides perhaps Broberg. The move makes little sense for either team imho.

'Especially when the Avs have picked so many d-men and the Wings are moving up 2 spots to take one. Meaning LA or another team takes a forward and the Avs still get their 2nd choice (and still a Tier 2 guy in the draft) and an extra 2nd round pick.'

The Avs may have two very good RIGHT sided D men in or coming in, (Makar & Timmins though of course there is a question mark over Timmins' concussion issues) but they have very little coming in on the left so Byram makes as much sense to the Avs as a C does to DET who need both.

Thread name "Trade Up for Bowen Byram" talk about reading comprehension skills.