Miller can make a breakout pass. Zaitsev can't.

Okey so we are basically two alone within Leafs fans who dont want anything to do with Miller?

I believe so. With his defensive side of things he should be more than fine with right side next to Rielly. Basically add modern day hockey skills and speed to Hainsey and you have hutton.

Umm....the Leafs really only need a partner for Rielly, the rest will be internal replacements who are most likely on par with a guy you just said was horrible defensively unless he had a vet to settle him down. Even at that, he still seems to be just an okay 3rd pair guy. Rosen and Borgman are as good or most likely better and will cost half as much as Benning. You can have Brown for a 3rd rounder though.

That’s what I would do, but it’s looking like a sell low on zaitzev coming, because of Toronto spotlight. Bargain hunt a dman or two on show me contracts would be my only moves this offseason, just so there’s no rush on the kids. Toronto an interesting pressure cooker environment, so hopefully kids are ready when they come up, tough unforgiving market if there’s too many growing pains.

Yup seems like it. 95% of fans seem to have no clue what to think until a talking head says something about a player. Miller sucks and so does Benning.

If he can be had for under 2 I'd give him a 1 year deal for sure.

How well can Miller cover his zone, brake up entries, have good gap control? Last time he was effective in D zone was with Greyhounds..

Edmonton needs to move a defender for a winger of similar value. I just wish it was Manning. That caggula trade was terrible

Last I checked... Zaitsev couldn't do any of those either. So it's worth a change if Toronto wants to get closer to a cup

Well I doubt TO has any desire to pick up Benning, so I think you are stuck. TO doesn't want or need to take on dead cap space and to me Benning would a 1.5million healthy scratch.

Last I checked... Zaitsev couldn't do any of those either. So it's worth a change if Toronto wants to get closer to a cup

Zaitsev is best on Leafs in breaking up plays on blue line and irritating opposition with his tight game.

I am not sure you have ever watched the Leafs play.

He is scarily overrated. Offensively fine, shot great, defensively as horrible as it gets.. I would like Hutton tbh. He is good defensively and good skater on exits and entries and controls the zone better. Miller is so overrated and many people would be very negatively surprised how bad he would be on Leafs.

So from Boston fans I am hearing that Miller is decent offensively but bad in his own end. Definitely a 3rd pair guy on a team than needs a puck mover and PP guy. The Leafs don't need that, so in what way is he better than a defensively responsible Zaitsev?

This just reeks of media driven false public perception where enough people have said he's good so that means he's good.

As for Benning, sneaky good when his team is terrible doesn't sound like something that computes. Edmonton's defence is terrible, Nurse and Klefbom are the only two that have any really value. Larsson is a slightly better version of Zaitsev but that's it. If Benning is behind those 3 then he's not at all an answer in TO. He makes too much and the Leafs have equal players in Borgman and Rosen.

Again I just don't get how many people just blindly follow the mob and assume stuff without looking into it at all.

Umm....the Leafs really only need a partner for Rielly, the rest will be internal replacements who are most likely on par with a guy you just said was horrible defensively unless he had a vet to settle him down. Even at that, he still seems to be just an okay 3rd pair guy. Rosen and Borgman are as good or most likely better and will cost half as much as Benning. You can have Brown for a 3rd rounder though.

LOL.. half the time he's scared to get hit to make a play. & he consistently gets beat to the outside.. but yeah, I never watch the Leafs at all.

Is Edmonton's D horrible, or have they been the victim's of Talbot/Koskinen? That's like throwing Garret Sparks in net every night...

I would assume that people blindly follow the mob because of the Leafs giant question marks on their back end, and because when Paul Marner's burner account (Dreger) reports on the available trade candidates, these two are the names that come up. I'd assume that the view is "If we have the same d-core, minus Gardiner, are we in better shape to beat Boston in the playoffs?". Because I'd say it's a pretty solid chance that that's who you're going to end up with, once again, come playoff time.

Re: Manning-I think you'd be surprised by him. His numbers support my claim of a bottom pair guy that can move up as needed. At $1.9 mil, with experience playing in the league, I think that's a pretty good body to have. Miller? Maybe he's not the guy that you want.

Hutton would be better than Miller, but you guys really need a shutdown d-man.

Okey so we are basically two alone within Leafs fans who dont want anything to do with Miller?

So from Boston fans I am hearing that Miller is decent offensively but bad in his own end. Definitely a 3rd pair guy on a team than needs a puck mover and PP guy. The Leafs don't need that, so in what way is he better than a defensively responsible Zaitsev?

This just reeks of media driven false public perception where enough people have said he's good so that means he's good.

As for Benning, sneaky good when his team is terrible doesn't sound like something that computes. Edmonton's defence is terrible, Nurse and Klefbom are the only two that have any really value. Larsson is a slightly better version of Zaitsev but that's it. If Benning is behind those 3 then he's not at all an answer in TO. He makes too much and the Leafs have equal players in Borgman and Rosen.

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I couldn't have said it better myself also why not get a pick for brown instead and either stick with what we got or go get a cheap option in FA.

I honestly am concerned though, we know dubas loves his former greyhounds. Although i would be ok with nurse though

I honestly am concerned though, we know dubas loves his former greyhounds. Although i would be ok with nurse though

Those are tough to come by, and I think they often are a product of the system. In this day and age having guys who can skate the puck out of trouble and be sound positionally are more the new age shut down guys. Rielly needs a good partner and that will be the shutdown pair.