Uhh, no. Bruins won 5-on-5? Blues only won through brute physicality? Get that tired crap out of here.

Why does this matter? I also don't think the 2016 Penguins team is nowhere near as impressive as the 1980's Edmonton cup winning teams either (I can also say the same about the early 80s New York Islanders teams too).

To answer your question, you cannot compare a heavy team's play versus a skilled team's play. They are simply different styles. The Blues used one style to win this year; other winners have used various styles to win as well. It just shows that teams can be built to win playing different styles. Aesthetically, you prefer a high-speed, skilled team. That's great, especially since you are a Toronto fan. They play a very exciting type of game, and it is one that you respect. The Blues don't play that type of style, which does not aesthetically appeal to you. That's great too. This St. Louis fan didn't quite care what style we played. I was just happy that after watching them disappoint me since 1973, we finally won a cup!

Sure more money than marner. Why I said 7.5M/8M, but not much more because he is overrated while he might be a Great Player I would put him as Elite, but not "All-Star" talent. That's what a Top 5 Winger is. He isn't exactly your normal Vlad Tarasenko, or Patrick Kane, or Gabriel Landeskog. Because I just pulled up Tarasenko advanced stats, and most of the meaningful advanced stats were in Tarasenko's favor, and that's without a All-Star Top 5, Top 10 Center in the National Hockey League right now, and when you look at what Marner did without John Tavares uhhhhhhhhh he was struggling man, he was definitely struggling on the ice, and on Defense he sucks, completely just sucks. Defensive Liability, but he sort of makes up for it when he plays on Offense with Tavares, doesn't make up for it when he is without Tavares on offense.

The truth is, a skill based team is simply better than a team that relies on intimidation. It is much more difficult to win with skill than intimidation.

"if he asks for too much". Then I suppose no other team is going to sign him either.

The fact you don’t think Marner is an all star talent is laughable. It is clear to me that you haven’t watched him play and have analyzed him entirely based off advanced stats.

it doesn't matter if it is skilled or not, My team lacks talent wise they aren't very skilled with the puck, I do dump and chase, but you know what I tell them play a simple game. If they play a simple game we have won the game more times than not.

I think this hits on the crux of Toronto's dilemma: Dubas was dumb for signing Nylander to his contract. He was even dumber to tell Nylander that he wouldn't be traded. The dollars he spent on Nylander, who certainly has demonstrated potential, should have been saved for someone who is more proven than Nylander was and currently is. I would agree that Marner should get paid more than Nylander, but I would also argue that many, many players in the NHL right now should get paid more than Nylander. He hasn't shown me anything yet other than he has potential and can be a cry-baby hold-out.

I agree with you. I'd just like to see the comparison. I certainly was not asserting Perron was on=par with or better than Marner.

No, I have I'm just apart of the Marner Boy Scout Fan Club. He isn't an all-star talent because he hasn't shown he is an all-star talent. Go back to the back half of the series against Boston. I know it's very hard for you as a Toronto fan, but what did Marner do in the back half of the Series. Literally nothing, you could barely tell he was on the ice. That's why I am saying he isn't an All-Star talent. All-Star Talents are always making some sort of threat even if it is a bad game, they do get good quality chances. Marner is very spotty when it comes to that sort of thing.

Playing skill based hockey with creative puck movement and possession is far more impressive than playing dump and chase, or intimidation. Therefore the team that wins with skill is always better than the team that wins with grit.

I base him of Analytics, because that's apart of my Daily job is to base players in my area off of Advanced Stats as well, Sorry for making you feel uncomfortable that I use Advanced Stats to support my Thesis, but that's just how the world works. You have no physical proof to show me otherwise.

Every player goes through bad stretches where he can’t do anything effective. Look at Evgeni Malkin in that 2012 series against the Flyers, he was absolutely invisible and generated no chances. So for you, he is not an all star talent or hall of Famer?

And one thing I would also add is Tarasenko has worked himself into being a decent defensive player. He did not arrive as well-rounded as he has become. Marner also could improve his defensive play with work. Tarasenko had a lot of work to do on defense, and to both his and his coaches' credit, he did put in the work and has made himself a more complete player. Marner could too, but at this point it remains to be seen. Far too many people think of Tarasenko as "just" a sniper. He was once that, but he has really improved his game, and I think NHL execs would agree.

The only reason why you use analytics is because you are American, as we all know, Americans aren’t very good at ice hockey. Canadians are much better.

Hockey isn't a game that is always impressive kid. That's something you need to understand. Hockey isn't always Skill moves, and dekes and driving to the net he shoots a Top Shelf Shot and Scores. You have to get to the Basic, and the Fundamentals of Hockey. Blues won a cup playing a simple game, simple is simply just better hockey. Playing simpler is better hockey because less risks, and you don't lose the puck carelessly. Which is why Pittsburgh got swept, why Tampa got Swept, why Calgary got beat 4-1, why Carolina came back and won game 7 in OT. It was all simple play, and simple play lead to big goals, playing simple lead to simple defense, keeping pucks to the boards not letting anything in the middle, not giving up bad pucks, no bad turnovers for odd man rushes.

But looking at Marner he doesn't have defensive minded or even Defensive type coaches it's just an offensive game, which lead to their downfall against Boston.

Marner has already started to improve his all round game. It was very evident this season, but according to this Beast guy, he is trash because his Corsi stats from 2016-17 and the first half of 2017-18 were terrible.

You are just blind and delusional. Next you’re probably going to tell me that Marner is lazy and has a terrible work rate. He may not be a defensive minded player, but at least he shows willingness to learn. The intensity he plays with every shift is evident and that’s how he will improve. You are simply hating.

Hate to break it to ya, but I am part Canadian...so much so that My Granddad is actually from the Toronto area in a place called Pickering. So excuses excuses, insult after insult. Why all the sudden you are getting defensive?

I never said he was trash, I said he was overrated he might be a Top 50-25 Winger, but Top 5 is Overrated. I never said he was terrible you are trying to twist words that you don't see, and 2 I said 2018-19 because that's when he was with John tavares.

Part Canadian? Well you were born and trained in the United States. It’s very different than growing up in Canada as a hockey player.

I never said that either. Marner is a hard worker, and he isn't defensive minded. He is learning, but he got a little better on defense but nonetheless still pretty bad on defense.

No I was born in Edmonton area, so mostly Canadian, but moved to US when I was about a couple months old...

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