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if Tavares wasnt signed

Created by: battadan
Initial Creation Date: Aug 16, 2019
Published: Aug 16, 2019 at 9:53
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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this is from a non-leaf fan perspective:

i'm not saying it was the wrong decision. but what would this team look like if that never happened.

marner get the money he wants, and toronto get 2 extra years of control past Mathews and Nylander

Undo the original trades i believe were made mainly for cap reasons. i say the ottawa trade still happens.

sign Shattenkirk a little higher than tampa did.

more balance on all four lines. defence is better than i think it is currently, and on short term deals to make way for sandin, and liljegren next year. also a lot tougher of a team, with a lot of skill.

i tried to be as specific as possible, but this is more of a general idea of what could of been.

thoughts?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell7$11,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Gusev, NIkita2$4,750,000
Trades
TOR
    NYI
    1. Tavares, John
    TOR
    1. Kadri, Nazem
    2. Rosén, Calle
    3. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
    COL
    1. Barrie, Tyson
    2. Kerfoot, Alexander
    3. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
    TOR
    1. Shattenkirk, Kevin
    TBL
      TOR
      1. 2021 5th round pick (TBL)
      TBL
      1. Gauthier, Frédérik
      Additional Details:
      traded for a pick.. don't care what team
      TOR
      1. Jokiharju, Henri
      BUF
      1. Moore, Trevor
      2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
      Additional Details:
      trade with Chicago... this would of still been seem as a deal beofre seeing bowman get rinsed by buffalo
      TOR
      1. Borgman, Andreas
      STL
      1. Schmaltz, Jordan
      TOR
      1. Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
      Additional Details:
      sign as ufa
      COL
        TOR
        1. Connolly, Brett
        Additional Details:
        sign as ufa
        FLA
          TOR
          1. Ennis, Tyler
          Additional Details:
          sign ufa
          OTT
            Buyouts
            • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
            Retained Salary Transactions
            • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
            • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
            DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
            2020
            TOR
            CBJ
            TOR
            VGK
            TOR
            CAR
            EDM
            SJS
            STL
            WPG
            2021
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TBL
            TOR
            TOR
            2022
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            TOR
            ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
            23$81,500,000$81,984,699$0$425,000-$484,699
            Left WingCenterRight Wing
            Gusev, NIkita
            $4,750,000
            TOR
            Matthews, Auston
            $11,634,000
            C
            UFA - 5
            TOR
            Nylander, William
            $6,962,366
            RW, LW
            UFA - 5
            TOR
            Johnsson, Andreas
            $3,400,000
            LW
            UFA - 4
            COL
            Kadri, Nazem
            $4,500,000
            C
            NTC
            UFA - 3
            TOR
            Marner, Mitchell
            $11,000,000
            RW
            UFA - 6
            TOR
            Mikheyev, Ilya
            $925,000
            LW, RW
            RFA - 1
            COL
            Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
            $1,800,000
            LW, C
            UFA - 2
            TOR
            Kapanen, Kasperi
            $3,200,000
            RW
            RFA - 3
            TOR
            Hyman, Zach
            $2,250,000
            LW, RW
            NTC
            UFA - 2
            TOR
            Spezza, Jason
            $700,000
            C, RW
            NTC
            UFA - 1
            FLA
            Connolly, Brett
            $3,500,000
            RW, LW
            UFA - 4
            OTT
            Ennis, Tyler
            $800,000
            C, LW, RW
            UFA - 1
            TOR
            Petan, Nicolas
            $775,000
            LW, RW, C
            RFA - 2
            Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
            TOR
            Rielly, Morgan
            $5,000,000
            LD
            UFA - 3
            TBL
            Shattenkirk, Kevin
            $1,750,000
            RD
            NTC
            UFA - 1
            TOR
            Andersen, Frederik
            $5,000,000
            G
            NTC
            UFA - 2
            TOR
            Muzzin, Jake
            $4,000,000
            LD
            UFA - 1
            BUF
            Jokiharju, Henri
            $925,000
            RD
            RFA - 2
            TOR
            Hutchinson, Michael
            $700,000
            G
            UFA - 1
            COL
            Rosén, Calle
            $750,000
            LD
            UFA - 2
            TOR
            Dermott, Travis
            $863,333
            LD
            RFA - 1
            TOR
            Ceci, Cody
            $4,500,000
            RD
            UFA - 1
            ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
            TOR
            Horton, Nathan
            $5,300,000
            RW
            NMC NTC
            UFA - 1
            TOR
            Clarkson, David
            $5,250,000
            RW
            NMC NTC
            UFA - 1

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            Aug 16, 2019 at 9:53
            #1
            KFTW
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            Trevor Moore is nowhere close to Alex Nylander
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            Aug 16, 2019 at 9:57
            #2
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            lol wut
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:01
            #3
            habs_fan
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            ok?
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:06
            #4
            Thread Starter
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            ok general idea. would you rather have Tavares and the cap hell, or not and a more balanced team?
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:08
            #5
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            Lol
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:10
            #6
            Biased Opinion
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            I think the present team is better than what's listed above. Fans might be frustrated with Marner but regardless of how the contract negotiation ends up he's a huge asset to them. He either re-signs and likely puts up close to 100 points this season, is offer sheeted and the Leafs take 4 1st round picks as compensation and now have cap space to sign someone else or they trade him to address other issues (reads: blueline).

            Having Tavares makes the Leafs better. He's not the reason Marner isn't signed at this point
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:10
            #7
            KFTW
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            Quoting: battadan
            ok general idea. would you rather have Tavares and the cap hell, or not and a more balanced team?


            I think I would've rather had a more balanced team. They could've kept Kadri, kept the 1st in the Marleau deal and used that 1st plus maybe a prospect to get their perfect top 4D. Then they could've signed a solid 3C for around 4 mill and still have some cap space
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:10
            #8
            Lenny7
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            Quoting: csick
            Trevor Moore is nowhere close to Alex Nylander


            Correct! "I'm a non-Leaf fan, but I still overvalue their players!"

            The biggest thing about un-doing the Tavares signing is that all of the sudden, you don't have John Tavares. That's a pretty significant loss.

            Then, you take out Jokiharu, who they weren't getting for Trevor Moore, and all of the sudden you're running out a worse d-core than last year. Kevin Shattenkirk as a top pairing dman? I think you'd be better off throwing a couple of pylons out there to slow the opposition down (Or just sign Dion and have him lay out flat...that'll take away space from the oppositions offence!)
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:14
            #9
            Go Wings Go
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            What part of Shattenkirk not wanting to play in Canada didn't you understand?
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:16
            #10
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            Marner probably didn't get 11m, because he probably not reach 90+ pts without Tavares. I think it's samething, Tavares didn't get this incredible year without playmaker Marner. He probably reach 70-80 pts
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:22
            #11
            LongtimeLeafsufferer
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            What's your logic that Shatternkirk signs with the Leafs instead of Tampa. Rather have Tavares than the Gusev/Connelly combo.

            Don't know your logic when you say the Leafs are in cap hell.
            Aug 16, 2019 at 10:53
            #12
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            Quoting: battadan
            ok general idea. would you rather have Tavares and the cap hell, or not and a more balanced team?


            balanced team? we have a better team now than we do with what you put together. this team probably wouldnt make the playoffs.
            Aug 16, 2019 at 11:06
            #13
            #DisruptTheNight
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            Moore for jokiharju wtf
            Aug 16, 2019 at 11:10
            #14
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            I would rather have Tavares. Tavares makes Marner better and Marner makes Tavares better (chemistry). If the leafs did not have Tavares then I think Marner would have had 15-20 points less last season and worth a couple million less AAV. I believe Marner will sign by camp and it will be in the range of 9.5-10mil for 6 years. It is in Marners best interest to keep playing with Tavares as they make each other better and his next contract will be bigger. Also being in Toronto the endorsement money he will get will be enormous.
             
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