That 2nd line would get fu****

Bruh you are asking for way too much for Ehlers.

probably true tbh, but i think it would be good for Laine to have Roslo center him. they'd be a sh**show in their own zone though

lmao im an isles fan and id do it but every other time i posted an ehlers to the isles trade it was atrocious apparently so i put a lot in

So 2 top4 D (one offensive and one defensive), a young player with legit top6 potential and a 1st (8-16) in a good draft for a 60 pts playmaker...

Its mainly the addition of the 1st. Obviously knowledgeable Isles fans wouldn't care about dumping Leddy or Bellows.

eh i dont like Leddy, id rather get rid of him and have aho in a spot. Ehlers is what we need and im not high on bellows at all after the season he had. this trade prob looks only fair to me ig since i think isles make the playoffs (at least w Ehlers, i dont like Bellows and i dont like Leddy. thank you for realizing Mayfield is a top 4 d tho

im not too high on either of them, especially leddy. thats just me tho

LOL trust me I know, I was arguing with an Isles fan yesterday that thinks Leddy will fetch a 30 goal scorer.

I think Ehlers is worth more to the Jets than he could get in a trade right now. He's better than the numbers would suggest at the moment.

yep i saw that, leddy is definitely overrated by isles fans but hes had 2 bad years in a row (2017-18 he won the NHL golf champions at a -42 and 18-19 he had like 26 points.) he probably couldve in the past maybe, but definitely not now

Come on dude Ehlers isn’t that good. I can see Leddy, a B- prospect and a 3rd.

I'd be pissed if the Jets made this trade, it's three overrated pieces and a 1st for a good young winger on a great contract that's only gonna look better as time goes on, I'd way rather have Ehlers then that stuff from the Islanders.

Left D and Wingers are the last thing we need. Mayfield is a great bottom pair guy that can play on the second pair in a pinch but there's nothing else in this trade that helps us. I wouldn't do this trade if I was the Jets.

Pulock, Dobson, Barzel. These are the names I'd need to see to be okay with moving any of our young elite wingers (Ehlers, Connor, Laine) We need a 1 for 1 hockey trade or one where we add to get the better player. Not be on the bad end of a quantity for quality trade.

Sorry but 2 Ehlers wouldn’t get u Barzal. Dobson is untouchable and while a Ehlers Pulock trade 1 for 1 is probably fair value, I’m not willing to give up Pulock

That was me you were arguing with because neither one of you is valuing Leddy at what he should be valued at. I'll say it again for the idiots in the room, Leddy is a Top 4 (borderline Top 2) LHD defenseman. He's an excellent skater who moves the puck out of the zone and puts up 40+ year in and year out. I'm not gonna go into explaining to you nitwits again about his Offensive numbers last year, since neither of you can grasp the fact the Isles introduced a D FIRST system and EVERYONE'S offensive numbers were down because of it. Meanwhile, he was able to bring his +/- back to 0 after having that bad +/- year in 17-18.

17-18 and 18-19 were outlier years for Leddy, one on the offensive side and one on the defensive side. I, and many others with actual Hockey intelligence, fully expect Leddy to go back to being what his career has shown him to be... a 40+ point guy, with an average +/- offensive defenseman who moves the puck. If you want that, you pay the premium.

What I find hysterical in all of this is that Ehlers had just as bad a year as Leddy and you want to sell the farm for him, but Leddy is washed up after what you idiots believe is a bad season??

As for the actual trade... That's way too much going from the Isles for Ehlers. You're not getting 2 top 4 defenseman for Ehlers, plus additionals. Something built around Leddy and Bellows for Ehlers (additional picks added on both sides to even it out if need be) should be enough.

Outlier years??? GTFOH

By aging curve Leddy is past his prime...

Take a look at his career buddy... Leddy traditionally sits 10 above or below on +/- and has consistently put up 40+ points since joining the Isles. So, yeah, a -42 on a horrendously back defensive team in 17-18 is an outlier in terms of his +/-, just has 26 points for a guy who puts up 40+ consistently is another outlier considering the new system put in place by Trotz.

Past his prime?? Leddy is 28 and should continue to be good for the remainder of his contract which ends when he is 31.

Once again proving you have absolutely NO idea about anything hockey related... keep going!

LMAO you are so delusional its hysterical.

Okay, other than his +/- in 17-18 and his point total in 18-19 tell me how he sucks? You can't because it's not true when you look at everything. I've used facts and statistics to back up my assessment of Leddy... you have used things like "He sucks" or "You're delusional" to back up your assessment that he's terrible... When you want to join the big boys and use facts to backup your arguments then we can continue this discussion.

Literally every 5v5 metric bud. Look at his WAR. Look at aging curves. Do some basic research.

Anyone that has even the most basic comprehension of statistics knows you can't just take 160 games and call them outliers. Especially the most recent 160 games. Those are the most relevant 160 games when evaluating Leddy.

You have a bunch to go learn there superchief...

And you're leaving out the most important thing to look at... the two different systems he's played in over those last 160 games. In 17-18 Weight used an run and gun system that led to a TON of Offense and no Defense... hence the terrible plus/minus and the Isles having the worst D in the league. In 18-19 Trotz used a Defense first system that sapped the offense from the team, leading to Leddy's lower points totals last year and the Isles having the BEST D in the league (which Leddy was a huge part of, by the way). Neither of those things suggest that Leddy is on the decline and absolutely point to those things being the product of the systems he played in. Since, by the way, Leddy was told by Trotz to focus solely on D and not worry about the offense as was the entire Isles team.

Look at the entire Isles team last year offensively... are you going to tell me that Lee because he only scored 28 goals (after 40 and 35 the previous 2 seasons) last year is no longer a goal scorer or is declining? Are you going to tell me Barzal is a bust because he dropped 23 points off his rookie campaign?

Lastly, take a look at Leddy's season as a whole, he was scoring at a much more consistent pace in the second half (after he adjusted to the D first system) than he did in the first 2 months of the season.

Notice how I never mentioned points or plus minus but that is all you harp on. Go do some research...

Those are literally the only two things you have been using in your argument that Leddy is garbage for the past 2 days. By the way, classic deflection tactic of ignoring the actual facts given to you because you can't debate them.

LMAO nope. I have literally said every 5v5 metric. I have also mentioned WAR. Once again go do some research...