Yes, my point exactly. Offence is the best indicator of a players talent in juniors, regardless of what they turn into in the NHL.

And I'd like to point out, Sandin played top pair in the AHL at 18 on a deep playoff run team.

Yes, at 19 he cracked a rather unknown team, there's nothing special to that.

Some other defenders to crack CSKA full time before being 20

And Sandin cracked one of the best teams in the AHL as a top pair Dman used in all situations at 18. That is superior to a 3rd pair 19 y/o in russia.

Also, Sibir was a playoff team those years. That 'unknown team' was actually decent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Sibir_Novosibirsk

No, if it were a 1 on 1, the offensive player would turn away as they aren't willing to challenge Romanov. It happened in pretty much every sequence in the tournament. Simply watch a game that involved Romanov. I don't think he was challenged once.

Offense is the best indicator for an offensive player. This doesn't work when we are looking at defensive players.

ahahahaha my god dude

You've whined constantly about how biased TSN and Sportsnet are because they cover the Leafs extensively. Has it occurred to you that they cover the Leafs so much because you live in Toronto?

Did you mean to post something?

Hyman is not an offensive player

Would explain why Sandin was a (-) player. Also worth noting, Toronto was awarded with the best goalie in the league that season.

He was an offensive player... what do you mean

Are you actually trying to use +/- as a means to evaluate a player in 2020?
You cannot be serious.

Hyman
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Offence in junior is the best way to predict if they will be a player at all. A player who cannot put up points in junior is unlikely to make it at all.
See: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/victor-mete
or https://www.capfriendly.com/players/shea-weber

When you have the worst +/- on your team, it's notable.

Like I said, Toronto had the best goalie in the league, it's always great when a goalie can hide your teams defensive abilities.

Alright? What does offense in Junior have anything to do with Romanov?

Yup we are done here.
+/- is a stat that is more based on TOI than it is anything skill related. Having the highest + or - mostly just means that a player was played alot.

+/- is all but useless in player evaluation, the fact that you use it at all invalidates anything you've said.

Also Kaskisuo is far from the best goalie in the league lol. Sparks and Picks was the year before bud.

Alright. Great way to end the conversation. Keep your bias mindset, when reality hits, you can talk to me about it.

https://twitter.com/grantmccagg/status/1213531284351393793

Keep using +/- and you'll keep being wrong bud.

Not sure how Grant meets these scouts. Never seen him at the rink once.

Come to think of it, I know the answer. https://t.co/LIWndVw7MK

— J.D. Burke (@JDylanBurke) January 4, 2020

Might want to make sure hockey names aren't dunking on the tweet you are quoting

I'm not using +/- as a notable stat. I'm just stating how he had the worse +/- on the team.

Doesn't really prove anything

You realize they broadcast the same James Duthie, Bob Mavkenzie Craig Button segment's across the country right? Like I said, you can talk to just about any fan from hockey markets across Canada and they will tell you that TSN and Sportnet (supposed national networks) focus on Toronto, they sent out alerts on thier app when JT scored his first scrimmage goal, they called it NHL news and everyone got one even without subscribing the Leafs. Same with thier websites, Toronto makes a move and the entire homepage is Leafs, entire world sees the same website, and the entire world doesnt care to see a Leafs fan page.

You've complete lost me how at least rational fans can be influenced that much by watching a game, just because the game are broadcast on channels 22 and 24 from my Rogers cable box. Since November 1, I have been away from home from 630 to 930 PM, so I'm taping the games and fast forward through much commentary...guess other folks do that to. But certainly Leaf fans (I'm not sure about other team fans) can watch their prospects in the AHL and try to make rational decisions are whether the players are have NHL potential. IMO only Sandin and Liljegren from the Marlies can be considered different makes NHLers in the NHL.
I'm 65 years old. Years ago, not all games were broadcast. Games on TV started 30 minutes or 60 minutes in the game, so fans were more dependent on the media...mostly newspapers for information.
Now all home games are broadcast beginning to end. Lots of neutral games are broadcast. You can watch as many AHL as you want. So IMO sensible fans can make their own judgements just by watching the games instead of getting info from writers or analysts.
Fans that actually believe what the talking heads say or what reporters write, I think believe that information at their own peril. Those guys are in the entertainment business not in the "here are the facts" business.