So you think puljujarvi for Tkachuk is fair? You look extremely silly right now. Try posting that in an agm and see if it’s just the leafs fan base calling you out.

I'm a Habs fan and have no love for Toronto but Hanifin is by no means a comparable to Marner in anything other than draft status. Hanifin is being shopped because he hasn't been too good this year. Contract aside, Marner is one of the higher point producing players in the league right now and since he's entered the league. Not sure how anyone can argue Marner for Hanifin makes sense.

Hanifin can still be both a good player and not worth Marner. That is also an option you know.

You realize he is a Habs fan right?

Marner is miles better, hey look I can say it... I am also a flames fan as I live here in Calgary and back them 80 games a year. Hanafin is worth no where close to marner in any universe regardless of where he was drafted.

Kylington has progressed nicely and everyone forgets CGY has Valimaki in the background so if there was a potential for a top winger in return I do not think it would be impossible to see him dealt.

Remember he is still only 22 years old and locked up for under $5M for 4 more years.!!! If he is to be moved it ain’t gonna be for the typical leaf fam trade of Kapanen and Ceci. The player in return would need to be a forward of similar age and talent.

Toronto Media, Canadian media. Same difference. TSLeafs, Leafsnet....

Marner's booming point totals come when he's paired with Matthews and Tavares, I'm not saying it's all down to his centres but they help A LOT. Hanifin has been fine from an analytical perspective, which is why Toronto are being linked with him, he;s been better than any D man in Calgary from that standpoint. When you factor the Contract in again and Marner making the sun, moon and the next eclipse, the value becomes very similar again. When you then factor in that Marner is close to done developing, and Hanifin still has an incredibly high ceiling, it becomes a reasonable ask from treeliving

If you have a player with an incredible high ceiling, you wait to trade them until you have a better idea of what that potential is first. Not trade it. Twice.

This has nothing to do with Hanifin being good or bad and everything to do with perception. On one hand you have a player that is producing and not just producing ok numbers but elite numbers. On the other hand you have a dman with a high ceiling that currently hasn't reached that potential but also may never.

Marner has reached his potential. Hanifin hasn't but you don't put all your eggs in one basket on the potential of one reaching his ceiling when you are trading someone who has already.

Potential and ceilings are nice and all but it is at the end of the day just that. They have to actually prove it eventually for it to mean anything. A Gm has to gauge his likeliness of that happening. At this point it looks like a second GM is willing to move that potential for a different return. Make what you will of that. I have.

Hanifan is just not that good buddy. If he was, your team wouldn't have traded him for Hamilton.

(ie, Marners goals above replacement since 2016 is around 47, Hanifan is around 5.)

Marner is miles ahead of Hanifin.

Very questionable. Isolated numbers suggest it's a very equal playing field between the two

Not questionable period. What more valuable to a team 100pts from a winger or 30 maybe? From a defenceman. It's a no brainer.

Using points to measure a D man's value LOOOOOL

It's a valid point. If you were there on draft day who would you have taken?

Neither, I would have taken Aho, but that's not the point. On draft day it was back and forth, the better player could have gone either way, at this point in their careers, isolating their numbers, they both show about the same talent level. This shows you how much Matthews and Tavares help marner produce more than he should. I'm not saying he's JT or AM product, but his numbers are elevated by those two. If you put Hanifin with Tyson Barrie, you'll have one of the better D cores in the league

I have to disagree with the Hanifin and Barrie pair. From what I've heard from flames fans he's been a liability. One liability with another is usually a terrible idea

Cmon man. Hanifin and Marner...are you serious man? You don’t have to respond to this because you’ve already made your points. I think Dubas doesn’t even entertain a trade for Marner at all, let alone consider a trade for Hanifin.

Hanifin is not what he was drafted to be...and he never will be. When a defenseman is drafted as high as he was the expectations are Top 5 at his position when he’s on his prime. Well Hanifin is getting pretty damn close to his prime years and he’s light years away from being at the top of the defenseman list. He’s a slightly above average defenseman, but his offensive upside he was drafted with has never materialized the way it was supposed to.

I have no clue why draft slot relative to another player has a thing to do with it. Guess Brayden Point is only valued as a 3rd rounder? The day that the draft is done, that goes out the window and it’s all about play.