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No Choice but to Go All In

Created by: beautyboysss
Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 2:47 pm
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Not sure what Bergevin can do other than go all in without selling off the team. Berg will lose his job if he doesn't assemble what could be a contender on paper.

If it doesn't work out he's got so many expiring UFAs next year that he could blow it up then. Might as well try something though.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Domi, Max6$7,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Halák, Jaroslav2$2,500,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Johnson, Tyler
  2. McDonagh, Ryan
Additional Details:
Tampa is gonna need space to re-sign Cirelli, Cernak and Sergachev. Is this fair Bolts fans?
TBL
  1. Mete, Victor [RFA Rights]
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. Brook, Josh
  4. Cousins, Nick [RFA Rights]
  5. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  6. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  7. 2020 4th round pick (ANA)
Additional Details:
2021 1st is top 10 protected.
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
OTT
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$84,000,000$83,750,475$0$2,945,000$249,525
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Domi, Max
$7,250,000
C, LW
RFA
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
LW, C, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,500,000
G
UFA
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 1

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Jan 23 at 2:49
#1
Joined: Jul 2019
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You know the plan since 2018 is a reset, not selling prospect or high draft pick
You still dont get it ?
Jan 23 at 2:51
#2
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 388
Likes: 142
why would mcdonagh or johnson waive their full NTCs to go from a tampa team that will easily make the playoffs to a montreal team that is very clearly mortgaging the future? i can't imagine either of them going literally anywhere for any price.
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Jan 23 at 2:52
#3
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 26
Likes: 4
I could see Bergy going all in next year. Its either bust or try and contend, mediocre won't cut it for much longer.
Jan 23 at 2:57
#4
Boris Bagel
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,096
Likes: 190
Bolts add Kucharovs
Jan 23 at 3:02
#5
Lenny7
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,312
Likes: 909
Quoting: BorisBagel
Bolts add Kucharovs


"Kucharovs"? Never heard of him. Assuming he's a D- prospect? Because if you're thinking of Nikita Kucherov, you've instantly become the funniest person on here (Not in a good way).
Jan 23 at 3:05
#6
Boris Bagel
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,096
Likes: 190
Quoting: Lenny7
"Kucharovs"? Never heard of him. Assuming he's a D- prospect? Because if you're thinking of Nikita Kucherov, you've instantly become the funniest person on here (Not in a good way).


you obviously don't know your hockey ... please step aside
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Jan 23 at 3:08
#7
Subbanator
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,599
Likes: 762
Bergevins job is safe. I can see some trouble if he misses the playoffs next season and none of the young guys has turned into a star, but for right now, the cup board is stocked with talent at every position, the team has some good key pieces and some veterans to sell off when the young guys step up, so he is safe and is in the start of the build.
Jan 23 at 3:11
#8
Lenny7
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,312
Likes: 909
Quoting: BorisBagel
you obviously don't know your hockey ... please step aside


You're right, I have no clue. You think fair value here is the Bolts to adding Nikita Kucherov, one of the best players in the NHL, in a deal that includes absolutely ZERO A level prospects, when they're already giving up a top pairing LHD, and a top 6 forward.

You're funny.
Jan 23 at 3:16
#9
Boris Bagel
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,096
Likes: 190
Quoting: Lenny7
You're right, I have no clue. You think fair value here is the Bolts to adding Nikita Kucherov, one of the best players in the NHL, in a deal that includes absolutely ZERO A level prospects, when they're already giving up a top pairing LHD, and a top 6 forward.

You're funny.


it's a win-win deal for Habs
Jan 23 at 3:53
#10
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 16,515
Likes: 4,259
Assuming you are right "Berg will lose his job if he doesn't assemble what could be a contender on paper." then Molson knows this as well and won't let him just make a bunch of willy nilly trades to save his job.

A GM still has to explain himself and his reasoning to his boss. If we the fans can see the writing on the wall, so can he. I think MB is a capable "retool'er" so letting him try to correctly retool out of the Habs current situation is fine but if MB went into Molsons office and said "Geoff, we need to go all in! I suggest we trade our 1st rounder for Kreider and trade Caulfield for Barrie asap!", I'm pretty sure Molson would tell him no and that he no longer has confidence in him as GM. Essentially letting him step down as GM or he'll be fired.

If MB was allowed to go all in, he would have done it a while ago. The time for "all in" has now passed. It would be like LAK deciding to go all in now of all times.....it simply doesn't make sense.
Jan 23 at 4:03
#11
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,282
Likes: 321
Quoting: GMs
You know the plan since 2018 is a reset, not selling prospect or high draft pick
You still dont get it ?


Quoting: grok
why would mcdonagh or johnson waive their full NTCs to go from a tampa team that will easily make the playoffs to a montreal team that is very clearly mortgaging the future? i can't imagine either of them going literally anywhere for any price.


Quoting: beautyboysss
I could see Bergy going all in next year. Its either bust or try and contend, mediocre won't cut it for much longer.


MR ROGERS - "CAN YOU SAY 'OVERPAY' BOYS & GIRLS?"

Oh wait, i get it, this is like a reverse mortgage. You are rebuilding, but instead of trading for young blue chip prospects and high draft picks for your veterans, you are trading only decent players and a ton of picks for a 29 year old smaller size 3rd line C who will be paid until his mid-30's, and a 30 year old D man who is probably already starting to show is age and will also be paid until he is 36.
Very nice.
Jan 23 at 4:35
#12
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 388
Likes: 142
Quoting: Bluejackets2000
MR ROGERS - "CAN YOU SAY 'OVERPAY' BOYS & GIRLS?"

Oh wait, i get it, this is like a reverse mortgage. You are rebuilding, but instead of trading for young blue chip prospects and high draft picks for your veterans, you are trading only decent players and a ton of picks for a 29 year old smaller size 3rd line C who will be paid until his mid-30's, and a 30 year old D man who is probably already starting to show is age and will also be paid until he is 36.
Very nice.


you're acting like the bolts and habs have literally any agency in this trade. mcdonaugh and johnson say no and the whole deal is off. that's how NTCs work you ****ing donut.
Jan 23 at 5:12
#13
Joined: Aug 2017
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Quoting: grok
you're acting like the bolts and habs have literally any agency in this trade. mcdonaugh and johnson say no and the whole deal is off. that's how NTCs work you ****ing donut.


If your reading comprehension was better, you would understand my post was addressed to the AGM assessment of the transaction, not the team control or player control aspect, so just crawl back into your basement gaming chair and disappear in your XBox or NHL20.
Jan 23 at 6:43
#14
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 388
Likes: 142
Quoting: Bluejackets2000
If your reading comprehension was better, you would understand my post was addressed to the AGM assessment of the transaction, not the team control or player control aspect, so just crawl back into your basement gaming chair and disappear in your XBox or NHL20.


If your reading comprehension was better you'd notice that your comment doesn't remotely address my concerns about the players' trade protection, which is 100% priority above any evaluation of the actual trade value. Maybe you should quote the people you actually want replying. Maybe you shouldn't pick a fight you don't want.
 
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