Athanasiou is not a better version of Hags. I don't know how people make this stuff up.
Athanasiou couldn't play defense if his life depended on it.

Rutherford is not giving a 1st for Athanasiou, Daley (50%), 3rd

Your comparison, Hagelin got a 3rd while including 50% retention. Galchenyuk and Athanasiou have been very comparable this season, even though Athanasiou get more ice time (Galchenyuk actually more P/60). Daley is #7 in Pittsburgh.

Rutherford counters with Galchenyuk, 4th for Athanasiou, Daley (50%)

If you throw in an older (22-24) prospect I think pens would consider it

AA vs hags lol, the only similarity between the two is speed, everything else points to AA being an upgraded version of Galch, and Daley sucks now, i have ZERO interest in him, even 50% retained

Boston doesn't NEED what you offer: Backes is buried, is manageable money-wise going forward 1 more year and won't be dealt for a 1st w/ a fourth liner (barely NHL-calibre anymore) forward depth coming back.
Not needed one iota - the need is a RW 2nd-Line Scorer!

You're right. He's a much better version of Hags

lol your perceived value of these players is way off.....AA for a 4th and a UFA to-be???

This is wrong. Bruins Accept 1000 times over

@lampshadey20 this is great for both teams!

To clarify because its clear you dont understand. Burying doesnt get rid of the contract. It still counts towards their cap (5 million vs. 6, but still a big hit).
Perlini is a young forward on his entry level deal, and the bruins will be more than happy to give up a late first to move Backes and get a decent young player. Plus Perlini wont sign for more than a two-way deal so it is no loss for the bruins at all.

So say all of you...
Fourth liner depth on D yeah now that's an add.
Makes sense if Krug is signed in the afternoon this 'trade' drops and/or a solid RW is acquired with the Cap room sure...

Bruins have been steadfast that they will not trade a 1st to move Backes unless it is in a large deal that will bring back a significant piece. This does not. Not sure why they are suddenly going to change their mind.

Well its gonna take a first (seeing as though theres should be 25 overall or later), thats why they havent moved him yet. They NEED to give up the first, or he will not be moved

"Fourth liner depth on D yeah now that's an add." lol what

I am sure that the second they move backes they will extend Krug

Just a 'play on words' w/ the D comment Silky...Dman depth security is the answer for playoffs.
If you're sure on the signing then that's enough for me - let's do it - Call Donny (555) 2-0-B-r-u-i-n

My B im missing the joke man but im sure its a good one!!!!!

lol yeah nah they gotta get rid of backes, and it is clear that they need to move the first. To get Perlini on top of it is certainly enough to call it a good deal for boston.

Ya Backes a 1st and a couple of good prospects for a top 6 FW.

This is trash. Rather just buy him out and keep the 1st.

What do you mean "but him out:. That doesnt make sense. Listen, they can keep him buried next year and waste 5 million in cap space, or they can trade him along with the 1st. Do you think Sweeney hasnt been trying to months to trade him? The fact that Sweeney hasnt made a deal yet just shows that they need to give up the first.
IN MY OPINION, Minnesotta should do it Backes and a 2nd for a 7th, but thats my opinion. The fact is that it will take a first.

So the fact that this is backes and a first for a young player that has shown his NHL abilities and is having an off season is actually a great deal for Boston, and one would be a moron to decline it

Buy him out. In the off-season. I’d rather eat the 4m in cap space and keep the 1st than swap it for a 3rd liner.

The "significant piece" is cap space. Even if he's buried in the minors, he still counts for almost $5M against the cap and you guys have to sign Krug, DeBrusk, Chara, etc. this summer. Buying him out saves you less than $1M in cap space next year, as he'd still count for $4M. Use your head before shooting down stuff just because your team has to give up an asset. That's the price you pay for signing crap deals - believe me, as a Wings fan I wish I could get rid of our garbage with a single 1st round pick. You get Perlini, a 23 year old who has looked okay prior to this year, when he's spent the majority of it on one of the worst teams in NHL history. Nobody's taking Backes off your hands for a 4th round pick, bud.

Sure, thats not a terrible move, I guess it depends on their plan with Krug more than anything. Buying him out saves you 1 million in cap space, which isnt much, but could do something. And you do save the first. However, if they wanna keep Krug and dont wanna move some other guys, they may have to trade Backes.

So Buying him out isnt a terrible move, but it still does keep them pretty limited in cap space (not to mention the annoying 1 million cap hit in two years lol, but thats not much)

Hagelin's best offensive season is 38 points - Athanasiou scored 30 goals last year. He's not as good defensively as Hagelin but you guys have plenty of defensively responsible guys to cover for him. Read Rutherford's interview, he specifically says he wants young guys who can play fast and fit with Malkin. That's Athanasiou to a T. If you don't agree with the trade then that's fine but don't pretend Hagelin at his peak was as much of a threat as Athanasiou.

This is the perfect analysis...
He tries to call me a homer in other posts, but then does stuff like this lol. Me and a bunch of the other fans tend to get along and I see this guy fighting everyone (inlcuding myself) so dont pay him much attention. Just try to be respectful and hopefully he will realize that while other people are agreeing with eachother (from different fanbases) he isnt.

It's a little off to the Pens favor, but that's the idea. Certainly not "way off" and also certainly closer to actual values than the original AGM.

Galchenyuk is having a "bad year" yet he is outscoring Athanasiou per 60. He is also more physical and they are on par defensively. Athanasiou doesn't top Galchenyuk in any aspect on the ice itself. The only thing he has over Galchenyuk is RFA vs UFA.

Daley is basically valueless. He's a nice guy, but he is a #7D on any contending team. Nothing but injury depth. Future consideration or a 7th type value.

Galchenyuk, 4th for Athanasiou, Daley (50%) favors the Pens, but not by nearly as much as you are making out. Changing the 4th to a 2nd might flip the value back to the Wings side.

Bottom line is that replacing Galchenyuk with Athanasiou on the Pens roster doesn't make any real impact on the Pens chances of winning come playoff time. No improvement. Why would the Pens "pay" for no improvement?

That doesn't even take into account the -35. Which, I'm not going to say anything about... I'm just going to put it out on the table and let it sit there.

You're insane if you think that's a fair trade, simple as that. AA is a far better player than Gal, he's just playing on a FAR worse team. Forget perceived value there is no way the Wings trade AA for a meaningless pick and a UFA...makes no sense.

Daley won two cups with Pitt....two. You are clearly out of your element here. Referencing +/- proved that real quick.

They can sign everyone other than Halak next year with or without Backes. And Halak is going to walk anyway.

Moving him is not a necessity. It’s a bonus.

Nobody said anything about him moved with a 4th.

@bsilk18

First, the "only thing" being RFA as opposed to UFA is huge. Qualify Athanasiou, and if you can't come to terms with him and he signs somewhere else you're looking at at least a 3rd round pick assuming he gets more than $1.5M, which he will. Even if that doesn't happen, Pittsburgh would be able to move his RFA rights for AT LEAST a 3rd round pick at the draft if they didn't want to sign him.

Second, as I said above Rutherford said that he's looking for younger guys who play fast and can fit with Malkin. That is not Galchenyuk. That is Athanasiou. You can't look at P/60 in this case because the players are so stylistically different and would play such different roles. Galchenyuk is on his 3rd team in 3 seasons. Rutherford has been trying to give him away, and he can't. Meanwhile an exec went on record and said that if Detroit shops Athanasiou, they could get a 1st round pick for him in the right situation.

As I said in the original post, Daley is a throw-in. If you guys don't want him who the hell cares - it's just veteran depth for the playoffs, and Daley has already won 2 Cups in Pittsburgh. He knows the system and he knows the players. And you're completely ignoring the Sharks' pick, which is shaping up to be mid-60's.