Cirelli Idea

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Created by: BLIvingston33

Team: 2019-20 Minnesota Wild

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 12, 2020

Published: Feb. 12, 2020

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Cirelli, Anthony

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I realize this is A LOT of retained salary and I realize that Tampa would want to keep this guy BUT they are going to be trapped in complete salary cap hell and I just don't see how they escape, plus a lot of guys have some sort of no-trade clause. They also have no RD under contract at all next season from what I can tell.

TBL

Dumba, Matt ($3,000,000 retained)

Buyouts

Tyler Ennis: $1,216,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Matt Dumba: $3,000,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$69,056,924	$0	$1,282,500	$12,443,076

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Parise, Zach $7,538,462$7,538,462 LW NMC UFA - 6	Koivu, Mikko $5,500,000$5,500,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Zuccarello, Mats $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 5
Galchenyuk, Alex $4,900,000$4,900,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 1	Rask, Victor $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 3	Donato, Ryan $1,900,000$1,900,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2
Fiala, Kevin $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Staal, Eric $1,625,000$1,625,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Kunin, Luke $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) RW, C RFA - 1
Foligno, Marcus $2,875,000$2,875,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Eriksson Ek, Joel $1,487,500$1,487,500 C UFA - 2
Hartman, Ryan $1,900,000$1,900,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Cirelli, Anthony $728,333$728,333 ($182,500$182K) C, LW UFA - 1
Greenway, Jordan $916,666$916,666 ($500,000$500K) LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Suter, Ryan $7,538,462$7,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 6		Dubnyk, Devan $2,166,667$2,166,667 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Brodin, Jonas $4,166,667$4,166,667 LD UFA - 2	Spurgeon, Jared $5,187,500$5,187,500 RD NMC UFA - 1	Stalock, Alex $785,000$785,000 G UFA - 3
Soucy, Carson $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Pateryn, Greg $2,250,000$2,250,000 RD UFA - 2
	Hunt, Brad $700,000$700,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:25 p.m.

NR1203

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Straight up, I'd say Tampa has to throw in at least a 2nd round pick to make it work. With 50% retention, it starts with a first and another asset.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:32 p.m.

Isles777

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Players like Anthony cirelli are so hard to find/develop, Tampa will do whatever it takes to retain him. They will buy out/trade players in order to keep him.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.

OutCold13

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Why bother trading Dumba for him. Wild could offersheet Cirelli right out of Bolts price range and then give up a roughly 2021 1st and 3rd.
Wild could easily get a 2021 1st and 3rd plus for Dumba.
I have a similar idea going to get Dylan Strome from Chicago, but the Chicago guys assure me salary cap won't be a problem.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.

BLIvingston33

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Quoting: Isles777

Players like Anthony cirelli are so hard to find/develop, Tampa will do whatever it takes to retain him. They will buy out/trade players in order to keep him.

Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:36 p.m.

McGruff

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TBL says no...mo...fo
Dumba is a "Shattenkirk" clone so to speak for TBL and Cirelli has shown multiple times this year that he stirs the Tampa drink like Tkachuk in Cal does...

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:38 p.m.

BLIvingston33

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Quoting: Paul13

Maybe trade Dumba for a 1st and a player, trade that first and a third and a guy like Belpedio to Tampa for Cirelli so they get a little more than an offer sheet would give them?

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:39 p.m.

BLIvingston33

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Quoting: McGruff

TBL says no...mo...fo
Dumba is a "Shattenkirk" clone so to speak for TBL and Cirelli has shown multiple times this year that he stirs the Tampa drink like Tkachuk in Cal does...

Okay so fill out their roster and keep Cirelli and compile a defense for them with the 8 million in space they have with 7 guys on a NTC with 20 or higher teams they can't go to. I don't know how they get it done.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:39 p.m.

Isles777

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.

They can buy out gourde. The contract is not bonus laden so it’s somewhat buyout friendly. Killorn is having a great season and after this year he has has a 16 team trade list. They’ll be fine. They would trade sergachev before getting rid of cirelli

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:43 p.m.

BLIvingston33

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Quoting: Isles777

That saves them 2 million, with 3 d-men and 7 forwards under contract. 10 million to fill out the other 3 D and 5 forwards, one of which is gonna cost 5 million himself. Good luck.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:44 p.m.

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This is a HUGE overpay by Minni. Retaining 300000 on a contract with term left is a TERRIBLE idea

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

Great you've mentioned that much appreciated. BUT I am not in the business of figuring out all of TBL issues.
However, Cirelli is an RFA so that's to TBL advantage (period).
* Back to your point: I don't see how adding Dumba @ US$3M/per until 2023 helps TBL as much as getting a slick RFA Cirelli helps MINNY?

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.

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BLIvingston33

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Quoting: BCAPP

This is a HUGE overpay by Minni. Retaining 300000 on a contract with term left is a TERRIBLE idea

For 3 seasons where the Wild won't be close to the cap as far as anyone can tell, not a huge deal in my opinion.

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

Maybe trade Dumba for a 1st and a player, trade that first and a third and a guy like Belpedio to Tampa for Cirelli so they get a little more than an offer sheet would give them?

Yep. I think in both the Cirelli and Strome case the Wild will have the cap space and depending on how the sell off goes the draft picks to leverage one of them away from their team.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.

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Quoting: McGruff

Great you've mentioned that much appreciated. BUT I am not in the business of figuring out all of TBL issues.
However, Cirelli is an RFA so that's to TBL advantage (period).
* Back to your point: I don't see how adding Dumba @ US$6M/per until 2023 helps TBL as much as getting a slick RFA Cirelli helps MINNY?

3 million, not 6

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:48 p.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.

He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:51 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa

True. I guess it depends on how much he likes money and how quickly he wants his future figured out, might not want to wait for Tampa to make moves to be able to keep him.

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:53 p.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

3 million, not 6

I did an edit to $3M thanks...
Still adamant that Dumba to TBL is a sideways-move defensively for the Lightning.
Cirelli is to TBL what Tkachuk is to CAL...end of story IMO!

Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa

Quoting: BLIvingston33

True. I guess it depends on how much he likes money and how quickly he wants his future figured out, might not want to wait for Tampa to make moves to be able to keep him.

Brayden points agent made it known that he was not interested in signing an offersheet - and he could have gotten a lot more AAV than he did with the lightning.

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Feb. 12, 2020 at 11:54 p.m.

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Quoting: McGruff

I did an edit to $3M thanks...
Still adamant that Dumba to TBL is a sideways-move defensively for the Lightning.
Cirelli is to TBL what Tkachuk is to CAL...end of story IMO!

The point is they have zero RD under contract so they need someone to play top pair minutes, even second pair if Shattenkirk signs cheap.

Feb. 13, 2020 at 12:07 a.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

The point is they have zero RD under contract so they need someone to play top pair minutes, even second pair if Shattenkirk signs cheap.

OK I see your point w/ Kevin S. on the UFA runway...
TBL has C. Foote coming and can look to TDL/free agency/draft moves to get the RD without parting w/ Cirelli?
* TBL trade bait = Palat-Gourde-Johnson-Killorn-Paquette-Maroon (NOT Cirelli)...

Feb. 13, 2020 at 12:20 a.m.

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BLIvingston33

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Quoting: McGruff

Paquette is moveable, Maroon UFA, those other guys all have some sort of no-trade clause and Killorn is the only one that might be easy to move because he only lists 16 teams. The others can list as high as 23.

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Feb. 13, 2020 at 12:45 a.m.

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Quoting: BLIvingston33

Like you said earlier BL33 when I just wouldn't listen LOL...done painted themselves in a corner huh?
Cheers!

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