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NJ and CBJ trades - Bratt Zacha Murray

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 16, 2020
Published: May 16, 2020
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****** Murray trade *******

I figure that due to his injury history; pending UFA status; and cap hit, Murray probably won't cost too much. Not many teams can afford to risk taking on $4.6m in capspace on a player unlikely to be available for a full season.

With that in mind, what do Columbus fans think of this trade?

Ryan Murray for Jost + Greer + COL 2021 2nd + COL 2021 4th* (*conditional on Murray playing at least 50 games).

The risk inherent with acquiring Murray is reflective of the nature of that futures-based return, but Columbus do nonetheless acquire:

- a recent 10th overall pick with 2C potential;
- two decent picks; and
- a young physical depth forward with scoring touch.

Acquiring Murray would allow Colorado to sell high on Graves and Zadorov while still insulating Byram/Timmins for 1 year. In Colorado, Murray's injury issues wouldn't be that big of an issue, as they would afford sporadic opportunities to ease Byram and Timmins into bigger roles.

Murray would initially slot into Graves' role as the steady guy next to Makar:

Murray --- Makar
Girard ---- Johnson
Byram ---- Cole
7D/Timmins​

Whenever Murray is injured you simply bump up Byram and Timmins up:

Byram -- Makar
Girard -- Johnson
Cole ---- 7D/Timmins*

or

Girard -- Makar
Byram -- Johnson
Cole ---- 7D/Timmins*

(* during short-term injuries to Murray you use the 7D to fill in; and during longer-term injuries you call up Timmins).


******** NJ trade *******

Logic for the NJ trade can be found here:

COL perspective: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1736381
NJ perspective: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1736384


******** Expansion Draft *********

Protection (7+3+1):
- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Bratt, Zacha
- Makar, Girard, Johnson (NMC)
- Grubauer
Exposed: Compher, Donskoi, Nichuskin, Rutta (likely gets 40 games as 7D due to Murray/Johnson); Francouz
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,000,000
2$2,250,000
1$925,000
3$3,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,300,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Bratt, Jesper [RFA Rights]
  2. Zacha, Pavel
  3. 2020 1st round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
#17 overall
NJD
  1. Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  2. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
#28 overall.
2.
COL
  1. 2021 4th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Cheap replacement for Zacha.
3.
COL
  1. Murray, Ryan
Additional Details:
Murray would be acquired to insulate Byram/Timmins for 1 year.

Due to his injury history and pending UFA status he shouldn't cost too much. In Colorado his injury issues wouldn't be that big of an issue as they would afford sporadic opportunities to ease Byram and Timmins into bigger roles.
CBJ
  1. Greer, AJ [RFA Rights]
  2. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
  4. 2022 4th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Columbus need a 2C, and Jost has 2C upside if given the opportunity.

Greer is a throw-in. Hopefully he can find a role in the NHL on another less deep team.

4th round pick is conditional on Murray playing in at least 50 games in 20/21.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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Logo of the NJD
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Logo of the COL
Logo of the COL
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,054,762$0$5,000,000$2,445,238

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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May 16, 2020 at 11:15 p.m.
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That's a swift and immediate no from New Jersey
May 16, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.
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No from new jersey. That's way to much for Murray
May 16, 2020 at 11:23 p.m.
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No from NJ. And why would u trade 2 LHD to just trade for one again
May 16, 2020 at 11:26 p.m.
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Jasper Bratt have been pne of the most consistent forward in New Jersey the past 3 season. He is only 21 and have interesting potential. Was on pace for 50 last year and around 45 this year on a really young and not so talented offensive squad. He will be part of their futur core. If you want him that will cost you more than what you are offering. Both Zadorov and Graves are already in their mid 20’s and New Jersey won’t be competitive for a couple of year. That would be bad management from New Jersey getting older when they are clearly in the opposite direction.
May 16, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
That's a swift and immediate no from New Jersey


What's the reason they say no? Do they rate Bratt super high? I feel like you're underrating Graves.

With so many young forwards in the pipeline (including #6 and #10 pick in the draft) they could afford to move Bratt to fix their biggest weakness at LHD.
May 16, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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Edited May 16, 2020 at 11:39 p.m.
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No from new jersey. That's way to much for Murray


What do you think Murray will/should get?

And what would Colorado need to add in your opinion to get Bratt?
May 16, 2020 at 11:30 p.m.
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hard to say if cbj takes that and runs.
If CBJ is out the playoff picture and Murray is healthy he probably goes for a 2nd or 1st at TDL depending on the need.
Jost and the other guy, not sure either really makes all that much of a difference to CBJ. Neither is a real 2C. Just gonna be another body. But there isn't much of a cap hit there so who cares.
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May 16, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
No from NJ. And why would u trade 2 LHD to just trade for one again

We need to trade Zadorov due to the ED next year. It's also his last RFA year so the best time to move him, unless we want to commit long-term do him (which we don't his salary and with Girard + Byram at LHD ahead of him).

With Girard and Byram at LHD going forwards we can afford to move Graves. It would be nice to keep him, but it could be smart to sell high and acquire a young top 6 forward.

Murray would simply be a 1 year stop gap to ease Byram in.
May 16, 2020 at 11:37 p.m.
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Jasper Bratt have been pne of the most consistent forward in New Jersey the past 3 season. He is only 21 and have interesting potential. Was on pace for 50 last year and around 45 this year on a really young and not so talented offensive squad. He will be part of their futur core. If you want him that will cost you more than what you are offering. Both Zadorov and Graves are already in their mid 20’s and New Jersey won’t be competitive for a couple of year. That would be bad management from New Jersey getting older when they are clearly in the opposite direction.


By fixing their LHD Nj could be competitive sooner. They basically need two LHD's long-term, and then when Subban and Butcher his UFA in 2022 Bahl and Ty Smith can replace them.

NJ are flush with young wingers, including Bratt, Boqvist, Zetterlund, Foote, along with whoever they select at #6 and #10 (eg. Rossi and Quinn). They can easily afford to trade a forward for help on D.

Graves and Zadorov are still young enough (25) to be part of that core. Dmen typically take longer to develop and are in their prime a little later. Having Dmen around 25 compliments their 21-22 year old forwards well.
May 16, 2020 at 11:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
By fixing their LHD Nj could be competitive sooner. They basically need two LHD's long-term, and then when Subban and Butcher his UFA in 2022 Bahl and Ty Smith can replace them.

NJ are flush with young wingers, including Bratt, Boqvist, Zetterlund, Foote, along with whoever they select at #6 and #10 (eg. Rossi and Quinn). They can easily afford to trade a forward for help on D.

Graves and Zadorov are still young enough (25) to be part of that core. Dmen typically take longer to develop and are in their prime a little later. Having Dmen around 25 compliments their 21-22 year old forwards well.


Ty smith is lefthanded defenseman that will likely be on the roster next season. Kevin Bahl is a work in progress and also is lefthanded. They have Butcher on the left that have term left and who have been good for them. They have Severson on the right side and Bernard and Walsh who have interesting potential. New Jersey doesn’t need either of these defenseman you wnat to ship them. They will keep Bratt, that a no brainer for them. Acquiring 2 defenseman that might be there for 1-2 years at the cost of a talented 21 years old forward who have potential to become a solid top 6 maybe a top line winger. Let alone the swap of pick that is bad for New Jersey. There just nothing appealing for New Jersey there.
May 17, 2020 at 12:04 a.m.
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Lol CBJ take this and run quick
May 17, 2020 at 12:07 a.m.
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Lol CBJ take this and run quick


Didn't realise Murray's stock had fallen that low, even in spite of injuries.

Would a 2nd or Jost on their own be enough to get Murray?
May 17, 2020 at 12:07 a.m.
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I really like the idea of a Graves for Zacha swap. But leave it at that. You're not getting Bratt for anything less than Timmins.
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Didn't realise Murray's stock had fallen that low, even in spite of injuries.

Would a 2nd or Jost on their own be enough to get Murray?


I think he is usually assessed at a 2nd and a 4th. Jost might get it done too.
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I really like the idea of a Graves for Zacha swap. But leave it at that. You're not getting Bratt for anything less than Timmins.


If it's only Zacha then Zadorov is the one traded, not Graves.

Graves is Colorado's 3rd best Dman this season. He plays on our top pairing and leads the league in +/- despite playing heavy minutes (top 10 in the league in PK minutes, and also majority Dzone starts). He's also just turned 25; 6'5'' 225lbs; scored 9 goals and 17 assists (26 points) despite zero PP time; and to top it off he'll likely be signed for under $3m on his next contract due to not having many seasons to lean on in negotiations. Needless to say you're absolutely talking Bratt if you want Graves.
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Quoting: Richard88
Didn't realise Murray's stock had fallen that low, even in spite of injuries.

Would a 2nd or Jost on their own be enough to get Murray?


A 2nd is more than enough. IMO fair value for him is a conditional 3rd that bumps to a 2nd if he plays so many games. His injury problems are so bad that i would judge any GM who gave a straight 2nd for him
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May 17, 2020 at 12:38 a.m.
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A 2nd is more than enough. IMO fair value for him is a conditional 3rd that bumps to a 2nd if he plays so many games. His injury problems are so bad that i would judge any GM who gave a straight 2nd for him


Does he at least play well in games he's in the lineup?
May 17, 2020 at 8:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
What do you think Murray will/should get?

And what would Colorado need to add in your opinion to get Bratt?


New Jersey isn't Bratt. He isn't on the block. You will gave to overpay to get him. New Jersey really likes him along with their young players
Murray should cost a second and 4th
May 17, 2020 at 9:21 a.m.
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Didn't realise Murray's stock had fallen that low, even in spite of injuries.

Would a 2nd or Jost on their own be enough to get Murray?

It has and it hasn't. The guy's top pairing when he's healthy, but he's injured often enough that it's hard to rely on him. I do think conditional futures are the best way to make a fair value trade happen.
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May 17, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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Does he at least play well in games he's in the lineup?


Hes a top pairing dman when healthy.

To be honest I think Columbus can get the most value out of him by just keeping him. Murray at 55-60 games is better than a 3rd round pick they'd trade him for.

Not trying to sound rude, but I think Sakic would get lit up if he made that trade
May 17, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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Hes a top pairing dman when healthy.

To be honest I think Columbus can get the most value out of him by just keeping him. Murray at 55-60 games is better than a 3rd round pick they'd trade him for.

Not trying to sound rude, but I think Sakic would get lit up if he made that trade

Yeah I've come to realise from responses in this thread and elsewhere that I overestimated what Murray's return would be.
 
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