Fleury + like a 4th = 1st rounder.

This is pretty much the same trade I made.

I would do this as well

Trade Johnsson and sign someone to a 1 year 5 mill deal

1st would make more sense to Leafs from the replacement standpoint as they dont need Fleury.. that was my only problem with it.

Carolina already has 3 top line players better than Nylander.

If Lilgerjen is top 4 ready why can't he beat out Justin Holl, Cody Ceci etc?

the same people who claim casey mittelstadt is a bust claim Liljergen is a stud despite being a RHD on a team in desperate need of one and only playing 11 NHL games in his career.

Aho and Svech are better. Teuvo is not.

sure he is.

Based on what? Playing in Toronto?

I don't mind the trade, but noooooo you can't just take Foerster, he's gotta be there for ANA to pick!! 😤😤😡

Lmao Id say they are about equal. Different styles of play but similar

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/teuvo-teravainen

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/william-nylander

Nylander is more versatille player (can play center extremely well), they are about the same when it comes to being defensively effective, Nylander is more productive than Teuvo throughout his career.

20yo season:
Teuvo - 9 pts in 34 games / 0.26 p/g
Nylander - 61 pts in 81 games / 0.75 p/g

21yo season:
Teuvo - 35pts in 78 games / 0.45 p/g
Nylander - 61 pts in 82 games / 0.74 p/g

22yo season:
Teuvo - 42 pts in 81 games / 0.52 p/g
Nylander - 27 pts in 54 games / 0.5 p/g

23yo season:
Teuvo - 64 pts in 82 games / 0.78 p/g
Nylander - 59 pts in 68 games / 0.87 p/g

production wise Nylander is better and is more versatille than Teuvo.

Because Holl is really really good in his own end, Sandin is better then Liljegren and Ceci? Well Liljegren would probs take Ceci's spot now but remember this is the first year where Liljegren truly dominated in the AHL.

And it's not that Mittelstadt is a bust. he just should've been picked about 20 spots lower in the draft.

Teuvo 100% is. I'd argue Svech isn't.. yet

svechnikov matched nylanders career high in points in his draft plus 1 year and it was a year shortened by a global pandemic.

Svech 100% is better than Nylander. Teuvo isnt tho..

except he is.

"pOiNtS"

Nylander is better defensively than Svech is right now. Svech WILL BE better, just isn't yet.

Teuvo easily is. Wdym?

Teuvo is a PPG player (roughly) Who's also one of the best defensive forwards in hockey. I'd MUCH rather have TT than Nylander

Nah.. I have to disagree on that. Regardless.. neither teams are moving their core players on amazing deals..

Nylander is more versatille player (can play center extremely well), they are about the same when it comes to being defensively effective, Nylander is more productive than Teuvo throughout his career. But Teuvo is overall better defensively (defensive effectivity is not the same thing, its more using their tools to be as effective as they can).

20yo season:
Teuvo - 9 pts in 34 games / 0.26 p/g
Nylander - 61 pts in 81 games / 0.75 p/g

21yo season:
Teuvo - 35pts in 78 games / 0.45 p/g
Nylander - 61 pts in 82 games / 0.74 p/g

22yo season:
Teuvo - 42 pts in 81 games / 0.52 p/g
Nylander - 27 pts in 54 games / 0.5 p/g

23yo season:
Teuvo - 64 pts in 82 games / 0.78 p/g
Nylander - 59 pts in 68 games / 0.87 p/g

production wise Nylander is better in almost every season at the same age and is more versatille than Teuvo, while Teuvo is better defensively. Nylander is better, but not astronomically.

Right, but compare that to their defensive numbers (Bare in mind, negative is good, you want the lowest xGA possible)

2017-18:
Nylander 22.3 xGA
Teravainen -9.15 xGA

2018-19
Nylander 13.45 xGA
Teuvo - 8.55

2019-20
Nylander +13.12
Teravainen -6.83

When you couple that with the production, it's not close. Nylander costs more than he produces. Teuvo stops more than he produces

Edit: This is all from HockeyViz if you're questioning the numbers

As long as we can see that this is a projection and part of this posts assumes that every player follows the same projection and no one could possibly have reached their ceiling. which isn't true. Nylander had a breakout season in goals. His SH% was ~40% better than his career average. Even with this breakout season it's a 69 point season...which Turbo's had a 64, 76, and 76 again (projected due to COVID).

Let's also not forget that Turbo was 7th on CAR team in PK minutes with 120:58...Nylander was 27th on TOR with 1:07

Turbo actually got Selke consideration last year. Something Nylander will never see.

Turbo costs $5.4M...Nylander costs $7M.

I hear your point on the center...Nylander would be a better center than Turbo, but that's not enough to negate someone that actually plays 2-way hockey and has actually done better offensively than a 1-way player. Once the 1-way Nylander starts to overwhelm any 2-way player in points...then we can have a different discussion.

Hahahahaha! What? Not sure about the Teuvo part, I'd say they're equal. But you always say Svech is better than Marner. No fricken way Nylander is better than Marner, they're not even close.

I have to look it up more closely because those numbers look weird af to what hockey-reference has..

Marner coming off injury, or Nylander in a career year.... I'll let you judge that mate