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Yup its Eichel again for fun

Created by: Anus_McLeod
Published: Jun. 16, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 186/186 (100%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because one of the teams does not meet the minimum 3 goaltender requirement

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Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $6,675,000
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: -$3,875,357
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Eichel, JackBuffalo SabresNHL-$10,000,000111---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Domi, MaxMontreal CanadiensNHL-$0111---0000--
Compher, J.T.Colorado AvalancheNHL-$3,500,000111---0000--
Byram, BowenWaivers ExemptColorado AvalancheJunior-$0011---0000--
2022 1st round pick (Logo of the Colorado AvalancheCOL)---100------
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,550,357224561123
Change$6,500,000122110
Final$17,050,357 (↑)23 (↑)47 (↑)63 (↑)2 (↑)3 (↑)3000

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OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kadri, NazemColorado AvalancheIR-$4,500,000011---0000--
Zadorov, NikitaColorado AvalancheNHL-$0111---0000--
Kamenev, VladislavColorado AvalancheNHL-$0111---0000--
Compher, J.T.Colorado AvalancheNHL-$3,500,000111---0000--
Byram, BowenWaivers ExemptColorado AvalancheJunior-$0011---0000--
2022 1st round pick (Logo of the Colorado AvalancheCOL)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Eichel, JackBuffalo SabresNHL-$10,000,000111---0000--
Poehling, RyanWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$2,415,239214664124
Change-$2,000,000-2-3-3-100
Final$415,239 (↓)19 (↓)43 (↓)61 (↓)0 (↓)24000

Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Domi, MaxMontreal CanadiensNHL-$0111---0000--
Poehling, RyanWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---0000--
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kadri, NazemColorado AvalancheIR-$4,500,000011---0000--
Zadorov, NikitaColorado AvalancheNHL-$0111---0000--
Kamenev, VladislavColorado AvalancheNHL-$0111---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$6,181,191214561124
Change-$4,500,0001110-10
Final$1,681,191 (↓)22 (↑)46 (↑)62 (↑)11 (↓)4000
Jun. 16, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.
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it's not perfect, but it's not bad. Of all the jumbled up Eichel offers this is one of the closest. 7/10
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Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:03 p.m.
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It's hard to find perfect when dealing with that caliber player (and a $10 million cap hit). This was about the best I can come up with. Is there anything specific you would do differently? There are a few other options for these three teams that I considered. Settled on this one though.
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Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Sakic would definitely hangup the phone. He doesn't trade his first round pick for anyone. Not enough piece back for the AVS. Sakic wouldn't trade Byram , why also would he want Eichel when he needs to resign MacKinnon and Makar.
Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Sakic would definitely hangup the phone. He doesn't trade his first round pick for anyone. Not enough piece back for the AVS. Sakic wouldn't trade Byram , why also would be want Eichel when he needs to resign MacKinnon and Makar. Sorry guys this post duplicated.
Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.
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It's a lot to give up when looking at it on paper, but having MacKinnon and Eichel for the next decade would be enormous. Think of it this way:

- Zadorov is expendable because of Graves
- Compher is expendable because of Jost, Newhook, and Bowers (Poehling adds a little insurance)
- Eichel is a big upgrade on Kadri
- Kamenev can't find a spot in the lineup anyway
- It will almost certainly be a late first round pick

Yes Byram is the tough pill, but with Makar and Timmins it would be worth it for Eichel. Plus you never actually know what a guy will do at the NHL level. We know what Eichel is, and he's one of the best.

The math works from a cap perspective. I wouldn't worry about that, especially when MacKinnon has already said he'd take a discount on his next deal.
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Jun. 16, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.
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It's a lot to give up when looking at it on paper, but having MacKinnon and Eichel for the next decade would be enormous. Think of it this way:

- Zadorov is expendable because of Graves
- Compher is expendable because of Jost, Newhook, and Bowers (Poehling adds a little insurance)
- Eichel is a big upgrade on Kadri
- Kamenev can't find a spot in the lineup anyway
- It will almost certainly be a late first round pick

Yes Byram is the tough pill, but with Makar and Timmins it would be worth it for Eichel. Plus you never actually know what a guy will do at the NHL level. We know what Eichel is, and he's one of the best.

The math works from a cap perspective. I wouldn't worry about that, especially when MacKinnon has already said he'd take a discount on his next deal.


You can get free agents to sign after this deal also. That's the kind of move that gets a Selanne and Kariya type to come over on 1 year deals to win a cup.
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Jun. 16, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
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MTL is getting r**** in this trade. The only reason for us to consider a Domi trade is because we have too much C... Trading him for Kadri would be very bad nonetheless
Jun. 16, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.
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You really think it's that bad? Kadri is very good. He's older than Domi, but I don't think it's much of a downgrade otherwise. For some reason Naz is underappreciated (imo). Plus it's not just Kadri (Zadorov too). If it helps you can leave out Kamenev and either Poehling or the second.
Jun. 16, 2020 at 10:29 p.m.
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You really think it's that bad? Kadri is very good. He's older than Domi, but I don't think it's much of a downgrade otherwise. For some reason Naz is underappreciated (imo). Plus it's not just Kadri (Zadorov too). If it helps you can leave out Kamenev and either Poehling or the second.


You have to note that all the MTL fans on here think Max Domi is good. That kid hands out his kool aid at the ticket booth before every home game.
Jun. 16, 2020 at 10:35 p.m.
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I know he's a fan favorite but am unfamiliar with the dynamic here I guess. Anyway, I think I've managed to make fans of all three teams feel like they're getting shafted, which indicates it might be reasonably fair. Lol.
Jun. 17, 2020 at 10:24 a.m.
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Why would the Habs help the Avs get better while getting very little value back the 3 best players, two best prospects and all of the picks go to the Avs and Sabres. Easy NO from Montreal. IF you make this kind of trade Eichel to the Habs makes sense. you would have to make the following subs. Domi, Byram, Habs, 2021 1st, Habs, 2020 & 2021 2nd to Buffalo, Avs get Petry resigned at 5.5 x 5 years, Poehling and Hawks 2020 2nd, Habs get Eichel and Graves.
Jun. 17, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
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Why would the Habs help the Avs get better while getting very little value back the 3 best players, two best prospects and all of the picks go to the Avs and Sabres. Easy NO from Montreal. IF you make this kind of trade Eichel to the Habs makes sense. you would have to make the following subs. Domi, Byram, Habs, 2021 1st, Habs, 2020 & 2021 2nd to Buffalo, Avs get Petry resigned at 5.5 x 5 years, Poehling and Hawks 2020 2nd, Habs get Eichel and Graves.


Honestly, I'm a little baffled as to why Habs fans feel they are getting shafted here. There is a valid argument that Kadri is a better player than Domi. Plus the team gets a defenseman, which is reportedly what they were looking for when Bergevin was in Colorado attending Avs games for like a week.

You say the best players go to the Avs and Sabres. That's true, but those two teams are also giving up the best players/prospects. Montreal basically gives up Domi for another version of him who is a better goal scorer and defender and then gives up a second for a solid defenseman. The Kamenev/Poehling is mostly a fresh start for both guys, who are buried on the depth chart. You can leave that out altogether if you want.

I would have loved to just leave out Montreal altogether and send the package to Buffalo, but it's a good bet that the Sabres would be on Kadri's ten team no trade list (they are on everyone's, right?), so I had to find a third team. The connection mentioned above made the Habs an obvious choice. To me, the only team that gets worse is Buffalo, but they also get two young and good players, two picks, and one of the best prospects in hockey. What the Avs get is obvious, and the Habs get better by replacing Domi rather seamlessly and also getting a defenseman that brings a new element. Not saying everyone should love it, but I think I'm in the ballpark of fairness all around.

Either way, I do enjoy the discussion. BTW, there is no chance the Avs give up Byram unless it's for a star forward like Eichel, Barkov, or similar. Petry and Poehling don't get anywhere close.
Jun. 17, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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COL doesnt need Eichel with MacKinnon/Kadri/Compher/Bellemare down the middle (plus Jost/Newhook/Bowers/Kamenev who can either play C now or will be able to in a few years). Eichel to COL seems very forced
Jun. 17, 2020 at 12:38 p.m.
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Moli92, I understand your point but saying Colorado doesn't need Eichel is (IMO) like saying the 2000-01 Avs didn't need Forsberg because they already had Sakic, Drury, Yelle, and Hinote/Reinprecht. I guess it turns out they didn't in the Cup finals (lol), but the point remains.

You can also turn this around though and say the Avs don't need Byram because they already have Makar, Girard, and Timmins. And they don't need Compher or Kadri because they'll have MacKinnon, Eichel, Newhook, Jost, Bowers, etc.

I think Colorado is in the enviable position of having more than they need, so why not go after a huge upgrade? Yes they don't need an Eichel to be competitive, but why not get a Forsberg to their current Sakic (Mack) or a Malkin to their Crosby? Seems like it will make them a better team now and in the future.

Anyway, it ain't happening. I think Eichel stays put. I'm missing hockey though and this is filling up a void for me.
Jun. 17, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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Why would the Habs help the Avs get better while getting very little value back the 3 best players, two best prospects and all of the picks go to the Avs and Sabres. Easy NO from Montreal. IF you make this kind of trade Eichel to the Habs makes sense. you would have to make the following subs. Domi, Byram, Habs, 2021 1st, Habs, 2020 & 2021 2nd to Buffalo, Avs get Petry resigned at 5.5 x 5 years, Poehling and Hawks 2020 2nd, Habs get Eichel and Graves.


Honestly, I'm a little baffled as to why Habs fans feel they are getting shafted here. There is a valid argument that Kadri is a better player than Domi. Plus the team gets a defenseman, which is reportedly what they were looking for when Bergevin was in Colorado attending Avs games for like a week.

You say the best players go to the Avs and Sabres. That's true, but those two teams are also giving up the best players/prospects. Montreal basically gives up Domi for another version of him who is a better goal scorer and defender and then gives up a second for a solid defenseman. The Kamenev/Poehling is mostly a fresh start for both guys, who are buried on the depth chart. You can leave that out altogether if you want.

I would have loved to just leave out Montreal altogether and send the package to Buffalo, but it's a good bet that the Sabres would be on Kadri's ten team no trade list (they are on everyone's, right?), so I had to find a third team. The connection mentioned above made the Habs an obvious choice. To me, the only team that gets worse is Buffalo, but they also get two young and good players, two picks, and one of the best prospects in hockey. What the Avs get is obvious, and the Habs get better by replacing Domi rather seamlessly and also getting a defenseman that brings a new element. Not saying everyone should love it, but I think I'm in the ballpark of fairness all around.

Either way, I do enjoy the discussion. BTW, there is no chance the Avs give up Byram unless it's for a star forward like Eichel, Barkov, or similar. Petry and Poehling don't get anywhere close.


If the Sabres are on Kadri's 10 team no trade list you can bet your last dollar so are the Sens and the Habs. Domi is equal to Kadri no upgrade there so there is no value in Kadri over Domi. So unless there is something coming back of value the Habs would be out on this deal.
Jun. 17, 2020 at 5:03 p.m.
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Fair points. I'm not 100 percent sure Montreal would be on his list, but you may be right.

Personally I think Kadri makes the Habs better, and they also get Zadorov who I guess you don't value (not sure why though). You mentioned Graves, which is possible (in lieu of Zadorov). Or maybe the Avs add a prospect. Mainly though, I get the sense the organization doesn't value Domi as much as fans and would be fine with Kadri. I could be wrong though.
 
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