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Eichel isnt worth the whole roster

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The last time a 23yr old or younger top line C was traded that I can remember was Johansen for Jones. An Eichel trade should be based off of that.

BUF can choose between Zegras or pick 3-5 this year. Eichel is better than Johansen was at that time and is locked up long term vs Johansen’s bridge deal so another 1st to make up the difference. BUF can choose BOS 2020 pick or ANA 2021 pick. Henrique off sets the cap a little bit but is also probly worth a 2nd right now. And I’d throw in Tracey just to satisfy them. So the deal is essentially 3 1sts and Henrique for Eichel.
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.
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I think this is a very fair proposal. I don't see many teams giving up 3 1sts for one player. That's a lot of risk involved. If Eichel got injured, the future would be bleak. Plus you need to draft 1st rounders to surround him with talent.. I understand why Buffalo fans ask for the moon, but the reality is he would bring back a 1st, a young roster player who is trending up (similar to Jones,) and a good prospect. I just don't see teams mortgaging their future on ONE player who is not Draisaitl/McDavid/McKinnon.
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.
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Tracey was a first last season. Plus if Henrique is moved he’ll get a 2nd at worst. If you think Buffalo’s front office has any idea what their doing then you my friend are beyond delusional.


The last part has 0 to do with it disagreement of trade proposals here. So because Buffalo’s front office is bad, we should all project bad trade proposals here to equate to that? Not what the player is actually worth? Seems silly to me (not to mention, the Sabres “front office” has been on the job for 7 days. Pretty hyperbolic to say they don’t have any idea what they are doing, at least not yet)
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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Deception. Yeah RyJo had 71 the year BEFORE he was traded. What about the year he was traded? 26 in 38, with only 6 of those being goals. You seem to be purposefully leaving out details to strengthen your side of the argument.


Ah man he went from .85 ppg in a full season to .7 ppg in less than half a season. You’re also acting like I didn’t add 2 first round picks to make up the difference in Eichel and RyJo and the contracts. You’re leaving out details to strengthen your argument.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:35 p.m.
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Ok fine, then you won't get Eichel hahaha


I think its funny that you find it funny. Buffalo traded ROR for ....A late 1st. a late 2nd. Two salary dumps and a decent prospect for O’Reilly. if Eichel wants out and pulls a ROR ,which would likely be the case if Buffalo is trading him, they would be lucky to get this return. people on this site love to glorify values but if Buffalo is trading him its bc hes done playing there not bc they want to

this trade not the one offered
ANA's 2020 1st, Zegras, Henrique and BOS' 1st
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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I think this is a very fair proposal. I don't see many teams giving up 3 1sts for one player. That's a lot of risk involved. If Eichel got injured, the future would be bleak. Plus you need to draft 1st rounders to surround him with talent.. I understand why Buffalo fans ask for the moon, but the reality is he would bring back a 1st, a young roster player who is trending up (similar to Jones,) and a good prospect. I just don't see teams mortgaging their future on ONE player who is not Draisaitl/McDavid/McKinnon.


And that’s fine. Except most Sabres fans (and fans of lots of other teams) say fine, they’ll keep him. It’s really no skin off of Buffalos back and they should only move him IF there’s an overpayment. If not, he’s got 6 years left. If he wants 10M a year, he’ll play.
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Lsendel3
And that’s fine. Except most Sabres fans (and fans of lots of other teams) say fine, they’ll keep him. It’s really no skin off of Buffalos back and they should only move him IF there’s an overpayment. If not, he’s got 6 years left. If he wants 10M a year, he’ll play.


I agree.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.
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Ah man he went from .85 ppg in a full season to .7 ppg in less than half a season. You’re also acting like I didn’t add 2 first round picks to make up the difference in Eichel and RyJo and the contracts. You’re leaving out details to strengthen your argument.


Not really. Also, there’s a huge difference in Eichel v RyJo in the fact that Eichel would have scored close to 40 this year (at 36) and had scored 20+ every year for 5 years vs RyJo topping at 33 (still solid, but only once) and 20+ goals twice in four years. The comparison for them isn’t that great, and that’s been my point all along
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:34 p.m.
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Henrique is a stop gap who has value and offsets a little of the cap. He’s not meant to be a huge part of the assets. BUF is getting either a replacement C in Zegras or a high end winger of their choosing in the draft plus 2 other 1st round draft picks.


Still not interesting. The offer will start with Zegras+. Because Eichel is an elite 1C, which is 23 years old and has been signed up for six years, such trades are very rare, but I’m sure that there will be 10-12 teams that are at least interested in Eichel and can offer some kind of package and 3-4 a team of these 10-12 will be very interested in them and offer serious packages, not what you suggested.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:37 p.m.
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You can’t look at Johansen now. Look at him at the time. 71points the season before he got traded. Not quite the 80 from Eichel but still quality. Now compare jones to Zegras or top 5 pick it’s not too far off. Hence the addition of a 1st round pick plus last seasons first round pick. Henrique is a quality piece that could be a stop gap or be moved for additional futures. He is coming off 25 goal season.

Also people aren’t understanding that if BUF does trade Eichel it’s a full rebuild. They’ll need futures. Not Lindholm or Rakell who are close to end of contract.


Johansen THEN was a good young Center
That’s not comparable to the MVP talent of Eichel now,
not even close
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:37 p.m.
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Still not interesting. The offer will start with Zegras+. Because Eichel is an elite 1C, which is 23 years old and has been signed up for six years, such trades are very rare, but I’m sure that there will be 10-12 teams that are at least interested in Eichel and can offer some kind of package and 3-4 a team of these 10-12 will be very interested in them and offer serious packages, not what you suggested.


Did you read?
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.
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Henrique is a stop gap who has value and offsets a little of the cap. He’s not meant to be a huge part of the assets. BUF is getting either a replacement C in Zegras or a high end winger of their choosing in the draft plus 2 other 1st round draft picks.


Henrique doesn’t have value bc of his Cap hit
He’s not exactly a “cap dump”
But he’s not gonna be the major piece that would go for a guy like Eichel

They would 100% want a Lindholm, Rakell, etc type guy insteaf
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:41 p.m.
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I think its funny that you find it funny. Buffalo traded ROR for ....A late 1st. a late 2nd. Two salary dumps and a decent prospect for O’Reilly. if Eichel wants out and pulls a ROR ,which would likely be the case if Buffalo is trading him, they would be lucky to get this return. people on this site love to glorify values but if Buffalo is trading him its bc hes done playing there not bc they want to

this trade not the one offered
ANA's 2020 1st, Zegras, Henrique and BOS' 1st


Eichel is way better than ROR LOL
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:46 p.m.
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Not really. Also, there’s a huge difference in Eichel v RyJo in the fact that Eichel would have scored close to 40 this year (at 36) and had scored 20+ every year for 5 years vs RyJo topping at 33 (still solid, but only once) and 20+ goals twice in four years. The comparison for them isn’t that great, and that’s been my point all along


You shouldn’t be comparing the exact players. Should be comparing their age, contract and impact. RyJo at 23 was a top line C that produced 70+ points. Eichel at 23 is a top line C that produces 80-85 points. 2 first rounders makes up the difference in point production and contract.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:48 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Eichel is way better than ROR LOL


is he WAY BETTER? or are you just being that guy who says stupid stuff? ill post a link so you can see how good ROR vs Eichel.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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Henrique doesn’t have value bc of his Cap hit
He’s not exactly a “cap dump”
But he’s not gonna be the major piece that would go for a guy like Eichel

They would 100% want a Lindholm, Rakell, etc type guy insteaf


25 goal 2Cs have value. Also trading futures for Eichel not currents as BUF would be in a rebuild should they trade him. Plus imagine what Buf would have to give up to get Lindholm given they traded Guhle and a first for Montour.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:57 p.m.
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You shouldn’t be comparing the exact players. Should be comparing their age, contract and impact. RyJo at 23 was a top line C that produced 70+ points. Eichel at 23 is a top line C that produces 80-85 points. 2 first rounders makes up the difference in point production and contract.


I think you’re missing my point entirely. Not all points are worth the same. Just like not all first rounders are worth the same. Eichel is an impact player, and has been for 5 years locked up on a very reasonable contract. He is unequivocally better then RyJo was at that stage. Just because Tracey WAS taken as a first rounder last year doesn’t mean his value will hold, or that you could trade him right now for a late first. So you keep calling him a first, is a general misconception. The Sabres took Ryan Johnson with 31 last year. He struggled. I can’t just throw him in any deal and shout “first rounder, first rounder” it doesn’t work that way. And the same can be said for guys getting better and improving stock. Also a year later first where your getting Eichel and not really impacting your immediate talent would then seem likely to be a later first right? So AH (cap reasons, ok player, but nothing special IN A DEAL FOR EICHEL) pick 3/5 best piece, a probable later first in 21, which doesn’t hold nearly the same value, and Tracey who some would say wouldn’t go in the first in a redraft. So no, you keep saying 3 firsts, like they all should hold the same value. But they just don’t
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
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Did you read?


Yeap, you said Zegras or 2020 1st. But this is not enough for a player like Eichel. Zegras + 2020 1st + some other two parts
Jun. 22, 2020 at 5:59 p.m.
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25 goal 2Cs have value. Also trading futures for Eichel not currents as BUF would be in a rebuild should they trade him. Plus imagine what Buf would have to give up to get Lindholm given they traded Guhle and a first for Montour.


Thanks for proving everyone’s point. Montour got a first + a top d prospect. Now extrapolate that times 5 as Eichel is easily 5 times more valuable then Montour, probably more
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Jun. 22, 2020 at 6:04 p.m.
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25 goal 2Cs have value. Also trading futures for Eichel not currents as BUF would be in a rebuild should they trade him. Plus imagine what Buf would have to give up to get Lindholm given they traded Guhle and a first for Montour.


One bad trade doesn’t determine value for another
But even if it did, we’re talking Eichel here
That’s a whole different ball game

And if Buffalo is in a rebuild trading Eichel,
then if they don’t NEED more veteran guys like Rakell or Lindholm, then they don’t need Henrique either
And his contract clearly negates his value

AND
You aren’t getting Eichel anyways
So keep dreaming
Jun. 22, 2020 at 6:04 p.m.
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Thanks for proving everyone’s point. Montour got a first + a top d prospect. Now extrapolate that times 5 as Eichel is easily 5 times more valuable then Montour, probably more


This guy gets it !
Jun. 22, 2020 at 6:04 p.m.
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I think you’re missing my point entirely. Not all points are worth the same. Just like not all first rounders are worth the same. Eichel is an impact player, and has been for 5 years locked up on a very reasonable contract. He is unequivocally better then RyJo was at that stage. Just because Tracey WAS taken as a first rounder last year doesn’t mean his value will hold, or that you could trade him right now for a late first. So you keep calling him a first, is a general misconception. The Sabres took Ryan Johnson with 31 last year. He struggled. I can’t just throw him in any deal and shout “first rounder, first rounder” it doesn’t work that way. And the same can be said for guys getting better and improving stock. Also a year later first where your getting Eichel and not really impacting your immediate talent would then seem likely to be a later first right? So AH (cap reasons, ok player, but nothing special IN A DEAL FOR EICHEL) pick 3/5 best piece, a probable later first in 21, which doesn’t hold nearly the same value, and Tracey who some would say wouldn’t go in the first in a redraft. So no, you keep saying 3 firsts, like they all should hold the same value. But they just don’t


Ah now your point is that pick 1 and pick 31 aren’t equal. Got it.
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Yeap, you said Zegras or 2020 1st. But this is not enough for a player like Eichel. Zegras + 2020 1st + some other two parts


You might get Zegras and 2020 ANA 1st but nothing else of value.
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One bad trade doesn’t determine value for another
But even if it did, we’re talking Eichel here
That’s a whole different ball game

And if Buffalo is in a rebuild trading Eichel,
then if they don’t NEED more veteran guys like Rakell or Lindholm, then they don’t need Henrique either
And his contract clearly negates his value

AND
You aren’t getting Eichel anyways
So keep dreaming


If 5M negates 25g value then 10M negates anyone under 50g’s value.
Jun. 22, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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Ah now your point is that pick 1 and pick 31 aren’t equal. Got it.


Ok bud, you want to act thick act thick. You are acting like your offer is the best that Buf would get. Ok fine. Most Buf fans say don’t take that and have Eichel play here.
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If 5M negates 25g value then 10M negates anyone under 50g’s value.


Tell that to all the teams that would LINE UP for Eichel,
an MVP candidate
VS
No teams that would give you more than a 3rd for Henrique bc of his contract
 
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