I think that Nylander and Kapanan trade for DeBrincat and Murphy is a wash trade if you think Leafs need Murphy as a defenceman. I think Nylander and DeBrincat cancell out each other and Kapanan and Murphy cancell each other out. The advantage with Nylander over DeBrincat is his ability to also play centre and maybe a better potential penalty killer in the future.

I think Leafs would not make trade because they can solve their defence problem without trading for Murphy and Nylander still has more upside potential over DeBrincat but I might be wrong.

I think both players have room to grow, you kinda want to ask yourself what is more valuable... Goals or Playmaking? DeBrincat also is an RFA at the end of his contract, Nylander is a UFA.

(This is not to say William can’t score goals, I think cat is better probably)

I think Nylander is much better than Debrincat. Can't see Cat scoring 40 again but could see Nylander doing it as soon as next year. Cats also smaller and doesn't drive play as well as Willy. Also both are better fits on their current teams as Debrincat likes to shoot the puck a lot so would be a tough fit with either Matthews or JT

The Leaf trade is good value for both teams. IMO, I wouldn't want the two young brothers on the same team. They would be worried about "the other guy" instead of concentrating on their own game.

Your recency bias is off the charts. DeBrincat is only 22 so to suggest he can’t score like he did when we was 21 is ludicrous. Willy Nylander very well might be the better player now or in the long run but you wouldn’t have been saying this last year when Nylander was struggling and DeBrincat was scoring 40 goals.

Debrincat shot 18.6% the season he scored 40 playing alongside Kane. He's not replicating a near 20% shooting over a season, hes also not as bad as he was this last year. Hes probably a 14-15% shooter and a 30 goal scorer which is still good but Nylander is definitely a better offensive player

I think I would rather keep Debrincat and just do Murphy for Kap (if mitchell is ready which we seem to both agree that he is).

Quantify that....don't just assume he always played next to Kane...that is inaccurate...and by the way...they are both wingers so they play on the same line but not next to each other. Furthermore, for you to bring up Kane and then ignore who Willy plays next to is comical. It's taken Willy 5 years at the age of 24, until this season, to come close to Debrincat's performance in his 2nd season at the age of 21. That pretty much says a lot right there. To say Willy is a much better player is not only inaccurate but incredibly biased.

I tend to agree I would rather keep Cat over Nylander and that's mainly because Cat is 2 years younger and in 3 years a RFA (versus Willy who will be a UFA) and because it took Willy 5 years in the league to be on pace close to the numbers Cat put up in his 2nd year and 3 years younger and he did that with a big physical disadvantage compared to Willy.

I agree that those two might be more a distraction to each other then anything. I would probably help Alex but hurt Willy if that makes sense?

So wingers that play on the same line and pp dont play together? Which the two of them did the majority of the season that Debrincat scored 41 and again, had a nearly 19% shooting which is unsustainable and will almost definitely not be replicated again by cat in a full season. Nylander played with JT this year (not a playmaker) and was on pace for almost 40 by creating opportunities. I know Debrincat had a down year but Nylander is currently the better player no question. If you thought Debrincat was better why even trade for Nylander in the 1st place

I don't think Nylander is necessarily the better player...it's damn close albeit different players... and without question Cat is younger and the better contract which is why, IMO Cat has more value then Nylander because of this.

You can say all these things negative about debrincat in his first 3 seasons, but let's examine Nylander's first 3 seasons shall we? 61 points versus cat's 76 points; 18 to 22 goals versus Cat's 41 goals. You are seeing this through only one lense and that is a biased one as a Leafs fan. Suggesting Cat can't repeat a performance at the age of 21 is like saying Nylander can't repeat a performance at the age of 24....stupid comment. Then saying Cat played with Kane when statistically he's played with Kane 47% of the time so no, his 41 goals weren't because of Kane and yet, you dismiss that Nylander plays next to JT who without a shadow of a doubt is a better player then Dylan Strome.

Read through this thread from last night which is why I posted this AGM.
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336643?post_id=1506563

Clearly in there you will see...and prior to posting this, I would NOT trade Cat for Nylander straight up.

I'm happy to have a non biased objective debate with you, but not going to have a debate with a biased fan who only looks at positive data when it comes to his hometown player and negative data when it's the other team's player that's being compared. Most would agree, Nylander and Cat are very close in value and a lot would give Cat slightly more value due to age and contract situation.