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Predictions with Lafreniere

Created by: Blazingbat11
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 14, 2020
Published: Jul. 14, 2020
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Haven't done one of these in a while. Since this is all hypothetical. NCAA cancels its season. Habs sign Caufield but intend to send him to CHL, but he blows everyone's mind at camp playing with Lafreniere, so they become inseparable!

STL re-signs Pietrangelo, trade Dunn to Habs for best return possible knowing an offersheet (with only a 2nd rd pick compensation) incoming that they won't be able to match (from any team).

Caufield gets a 40 goal rookie seasons (but we all have a laugh because he only ends up with like 8 assists) and Laf gets a 70 pts rookie season (with about 20g + 50a) but loses out the calder trophy to Kaprizov. Suzuki becomes a legit top two-way Center. Tatar-Danault-Gally put up the same numbers as the last two years. KK stays in the AHL to develop his 1C game on a line with Ylonen and Poehling (officially converted to LW). Blood bath / logjam for spots at RD with Juulsen surprising everyone showing top 4 potential and Fleury proving he's here to stay but worrying signs of slow down +injuries from both Weber and Petry....
Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
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4$6,250,000
1$925,000
1$925,000
4$4,150,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
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Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Dunn, Vince [RFA Rights]
STL
  1. Mete, Victor [RFA Rights]
  2. Struble, Jayden [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
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2020
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2021
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23$81,500,000$76,144,642$0$657,500$5,355,358

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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
C, RW
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UFA - 1
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RD
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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RD
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Jul. 14, 2020 at 2:56 a.m.
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Well those predictions are certainly bold.

Ignoring all of the crazy stuff, I don’t think that Juulsen making the team & showing to 4 potential wouldn’t surprise everyone, since he’s just starting from where he left off before the injury.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Well those predictions are certainly bold.

Ignoring all of the crazy stuff, I don’t think that Juulsen making the team & showing to 4 potential wouldn’t surprise everyone, since he’s just starting from where he left off before the injury.


Juuslen (taking away his injuries) has always been a contentious prospect among Habs fans. I've always been high on him, but I know many aren't. At least when it comes to top 4 potential.

Apart from the Caufield and Laf stuff, I don't think it's too far out lol what do you think of the Dunn situation?
Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:11 a.m.
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Dunn would be a VERY good pickup for the Habs
Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:17 a.m.
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Dunn would be a VERY good pickup for the Habs


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Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:17 a.m.
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Juuslen (taking away his injuries) has always been a contentious prospect among Habs fans. I've always been high on him, but I know many aren't. At least when it comes to top 4 potential.

Apart from the Caufield and Laf stuff, I don't think it's too far out lol what do you think of the Dunn situation?


I don’t like the idea of trading for Dunn. I feel like this trade is only something a team that needs to win immediately would do. And even then, I don’t know if they would even do it. While I do think that we can afford to overpay for Dunn, I don’t think it makes sense to give up valuable assets just to make us a bit better in the short term. We won’t contend in the short term, so it’s pretty useless. I also don’t see how Dunn is that much of an upgrade over Mete. Not to mention the fact that his $4 million cuts into the limited cap space we have to re-sign our FAs.

I would much rather acquire an asset by taking Allen/Steen off the Blues hands so that they can sign Dunn than paying to get Dunn.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:29 a.m.
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I don’t like the idea of trading for Dunn. I feel like this trade is only something a team that needs to win immediately would do. And even then, I don’t know if they would even do it. While I do think that we can afford to overpay for Dunn, I don’t think it makes sense to give up valuable assets just to make us a bit better in the short term. We won’t contend in the short term, so it’s pretty useless. I also don’t see how Dunn is that much of an upgrade over Mete. Not to mention the fact that his $4 million cuts into the limited cap space we have to re-sign our FAs.

I would much rather acquire an asset by taking Allen/Steen off the Blues hands so that they can sign Dunn than paying to get Dunn.


Well for one I think Dunn is a MASSIVE upgrade over Mete, in almost every aspect other than skating. I also don't see how it's short sighted when you're trading for a 23 year old top 4.

But yeah Habs can always hope STL sign Pietrangelo and have Dunn get to FA. An offer sheet of this contract would only cost MTL a 2nd... but I highly doubt STL would let it get to that point, hence why they would trade him for the best possible offer, or do as you say, ship out Allen / Steen with additional assets to make room to sign him. It's definitely a tricky situation for STL with a flat cap.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:36 a.m.
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Dunn isn’t THAT better than Mete, if you look at Mete’s number he’s pretty good. If Mete was putting 30 points nobody would complain about is game, yes he’s small and needs to bring more offense, but I wouldn’t trade him + Struble for Dunn. Keep the Greek God and Norlinder, Harris can go before those 2.
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Jul. 14, 2020 at 3:39 a.m.
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Well for one I think Dunn is a MASSIVE upgrade over Mete, in almost every aspect other than skating. I also don't see how it's short sighted when you're trading for a 23 year old top 4.

But yeah Habs can always hope STL sign Pietrangelo and have Dunn get to FA. An offer sheet of this contract would only cost MTL a 2nd... but I highly doubt STL would let it get to that point, hence why they would trade him for the best possible offer, or do as you say, ship out Allen / Steen with additional assets to make room to sign him. It's definitely a tricky situation for STL with a flat cap.


IDK, from what I’ve seen Dunn doesn’t seem to be anything special. And I’d be apprehensive of trading Struble in a Dunn deal at all, and it’s much worse when we’re using a good prospect to upgrade a 2nd pairing defenseman to another 2nd pairing defenseman.

And I don’t know how important Dunn can be when his own GM decides to sign Marco Scandella to a fairly generous contract before him. So either the GM prioritizes signing an older player while there is absolutely no pressure to get anything done or they’re already convinced that they’ve lost Pietrangelo, in which case they’re keeping Dunn.
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Jul. 14, 2020 at 4:03 a.m.
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IDK, from what I’ve seen Dunn doesn’t seem to be anything special. And I’d be apprehensive of trading Struble in a Dunn deal at all, and it’s much worse when we’re using a good prospect to upgrade a 2nd pairing defenseman to another 2nd pairing defenseman.

And I don’t know how important Dunn can be when his own GM decides to sign Marco Scandella to a fairly generous contract before him. So either the GM prioritizes signing an older player while there is absolutely no pressure to get anything done or they’re already convinced that they’ve lost Pietrangelo, in which case they’re keeping Dunn.


Pretty sure when they trade for Faulk Pietro said he was leaving so they can have Parayko-Faulk-Bortuzzo RHD
Jul. 14, 2020 at 4:41 a.m.
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Dunn isn’t THAT better than Mete, if you look at Mete’s number he’s pretty good. If Mete was putting 30 points nobody would complain about is game, yes he’s small and needs to bring more offense, but I wouldn’t trade him + Struble for Dunn. Keep the Greek God and Norlinder, Harris can go before those 2.


I was actually between Struble and Harris when choosing who to put in the deal lol still undecided but put Struble anyway.
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Dunn isn’t THAT better than Mete, if you look at Mete’s number he’s pretty good. If Mete was putting 30 points nobody would complain about is game, yes he’s small and needs to bring more offense, but I wouldn’t trade him + Struble for Dunn. Keep the Greek God and Norlinder, Harris can go before those 2.


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IDK, from what I’ve seen Dunn doesn’t seem to be anything special. And I’d be apprehensive of trading Struble in a Dunn deal at all, and it’s much worse when we’re using a good prospect to upgrade a 2nd pairing defenseman to another 2nd pairing defenseman.

And I don’t know how important Dunn can be when his own GM decides to sign Marco Scandella to a fairly generous contract before him. So either the GM prioritizes signing an older player while there is absolutely no pressure to get anything done or they’re already convinced that they’ve lost Pietrangelo, in which case they’re keeping Dunn.



Disagree on Mete. I've seen enough of Mete for the past 3 season to know what he is imo a #5 Dman with fringe top 4 abilities. If Habs plan on using him like a #5 Dman, that works for me and he can be pretty good. And for sure he will still get better imo. But what is an optimized / improved, experienced Mete? He still won't be able to shoot from the point, still have zero physical game, and still be very limited offensively since he's not a PP guy either. His game off the rush is solid and has super speed for a transition game (which explains some of his success with the Habs having a great 5v5 game, Mete plays a role in that). But also, Mete's only real success is when he was with Weber. Once he got bumped down he basically disappeared into obscurity. and we all know Mete paired up with Weber just isn't a viable option moving forward.

Dunn on the other hand is a more complete player. He can skate, plays on the PP, has a solid shot from the point. And looking at hockey reference.com, Dunn still puts up better 5v5 numbers than Mete...So Dunn has a more complete game, is more versatile, and has consistently been better offensively than Mete. I don't think it's even close, and yes I think the difference is massive .

You're right about the Scandella signing...that's really puzzling. lol
Jul. 14, 2020 at 5:19 a.m.
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Blues laugh and hang up, obviously.



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Pretty sure when they trade for Faulk Pietro said he was leaving so they can have Parayko-Faulk-Bortuzzo RHD



Umm no, you're imaging that.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 6:38 a.m.
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Blues laugh and hang up, obviously.


Why did they trade for Faulk then if they already have Pietro and Parayko



Umm no, you're imaging that.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 6:50 a.m.
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Dunn would have to sign the offer sheet. I’m not sure what sane player looks at both rosters and the chance of winning a Cup and then picks Montreal.
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NOOO!!! lol...just, no!
I'm really tired of seeing a diminutive Montreal team. Strubble will be a great 3/4 or 5/6 D with size and strength.
Replacing Mete with Dunn isn't much of an upgrage IMO. Losing Strubble plus a 2nd rounder makes it that much harder.
In all honesty, Habs need to get bigger, not smaller.
Imagine these 5 players on the ice at the same time: Caufield, Domi, Gallagher, Mete, Dunn.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:20 a.m.
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Dunn would have to sign the offer sheet. I’m not sure what sane player looks at both rosters and the chance of winning a Cup and then picks Montreal.


the one that wants to make more money
Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.
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Dunn would have to sign the offer sheet. I’m not sure what sane player looks at both rosters and the chance of winning a Cup and then picks Montreal.


I’d think seeing $4mil aav over multiple years with MTL instead of a 1or 2 year deal at less than $2mill would change a lot of players minds....don’t you think?!
Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:49 a.m.
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Blues laugh and hang up, obviously.


You’re not at all worried about an offer sheet of the same value I signed Dunn to?
Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:08 a.m.
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Caufield is going back to Wisconsin, And St Louis doesn't accept that offer on Dunn.
Jul. 14, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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HABS dont need to trade for Dunn, he's a RFA. Offer sheet him for 4.2 million. St Louis won't be able to match and just give up a 2nd round pick
Jul. 14, 2020 at 7:26 p.m.
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HABS dont need to trade for Dunn, he's a RFA. Offer sheet him for 4.2 million. St Louis won't be able to match and just give up a 2nd round pick


I said this in another comment, but I highly doubt STL would let it get to that point. Either they decide to keep him and do other moves to make room for him, or they decide they can’t afford him and trade him to the highest bidder before he hits FA.
 
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