What does Tyler Johnson cost

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Created by: redwingsfan04

Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 15, 2020

Published: Jul. 15, 2020

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Obviously Tampa Bay is in a tough cap situation as they have to resign Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak. This has led to many of they're veteran forwards popping up as potential trade candidates (Palat, Gourde, Johnson, Killorn). As a Red Wings fan, I'm interested in Tyler Johnson as the Red Wings need a legitimate 2C until one of our prospects is ready to fill that role and we could likely get him for cheaper than his normal value because of his large contract and Tampa's cap situation. I am aware that Johnson has a full NTC and he will almost for sure not waive for Detroit but in this scenario I'm going to assume that he would. That being said, what does Tyler Johnson cost in a trade? I've seen a crazy amount of variety in a lot of Tampa trades. Some people seem to think that Tampa would have to give up multiple 1sts to get rid of Gourde and Johnson which I personally think is ridiculous but other people are on the complete opposite side and say that Tampa would get a mid-round pick back for Johnson. I'm wondering what other people think about Johnson's trade value. Does Tampa Bay have to give up a pick to get rid of him, or will Tampa get back a pick for him?

To summarize, basically there's been a huge variety of what Tampa's players are worth and I want to know what kind of picks should be going either way if I make a trade for Johnson.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Bertuzzi, Tyler	6	$5,250,000
Bowey, Madison	1	$1,500,000
Ehn, Christoffer	1	$735,000
Fabbri, Robby	2	$2,750,000
Hirose, Taro	1	$874,125
Mantha, Anthony	6	$6,500,000
Svechnikov, Evgeny	1	$874,125
Timashov, Dmytro	1	$735,000

Trades

DET

Johnson, Tyler

TBL

Buyouts

Stephen Weiss: $1,666,667

Buried

Justin Abdelkader: $3,175,000 ($4,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$63,740,749	$0	$1,857,500	$17,759,251

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bertuzzi, Tyler $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan $6,100,000$6,100,000 C UFA - 3	Mantha, Anthony $6,500,000$6,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 4
Fabbri, Robby $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW UFA - 2	Johnson, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C, LW NTC UFA - 4	Zadina, Filip $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Filppula, Valtteri $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Rasmussen, Michael $894,166$894,166 ($850,000$850K) LW, C UFA - 1	Helm, Darren $3,850,000$3,850,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
Timashov, Dmytro $735,000$735,000 LW UFA - 1	Glendening, Luke $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1	Hirose, Taro $874,125$874,125 LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
DeKeyser, Danny $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Hronek, Filip $714,166$714,166 ($157,500$158K) RD RFA - 1	Bernier, Jonathan $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 1
Nemeth, Patrik $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz $894,167$894,167 RD RFA - 4	Pickard, Calvin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Cholowski, Dennis $894,166$894,166 LD RFA - 1	Bowey, Madison $1,500,000$1,500,000 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Nielsen, Frans $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2		Zetterberg, Henrik $6,083,333$6,083,333 C UFA - 1
Svechnikov, Evgeny $874,125$874,125 LW, RW UFA - 1
Biega, Alex $875,000$875,000 RD UFA - 1

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:17 p.m.

Ragsandbluesfan

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Oil 2nd

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.

UpsideDownQue

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Probably a 2nd - not DET's 2nd though

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.

Seider53

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That Bertuzzi contract is making me a little nervous. He's not even close to a bad player, but I would hope we can talk him down a bit from over $5mil.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.

Ragsandbluesfan

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Strome is available

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.

jasalex

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red wing third. Gourde TB needs to add something. His contract is terrible. On another team he is a solid middle 6 forward and will score 20 goals and be a pest.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.

MTLaveragefan

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On another note,

Would you guys be interested in Domi? And is one of your juicy RHD prospect available?

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.

MTLaveragefan

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Quoting: jasalex

red wing third. Gourde TB needs to add something. His contract is terrible. On another team he is a solid middle 6 forward and will score 20 goals and be a pest.

MTL could have an interest

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.

jasalex

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Quoting: MTLaveragefan

MTL could have an interest

I agree but still think the cap wall will be used against TB. I love Gourde always gives 110 percent but some guys need to go. Looking at the moves JBB made this year, he wants more grit and size so Tyler and Gourde most logical to move.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.

redwingsfan04

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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan

Strome is available

Quoting: MTLaveragefan

On another note,

Would you guys be interested in Domi? And is one of your juicy RHD prospect available?

I suppose we could consider another 2C. I was more thinking about Johnson since we could get him for cheaper than he's worth. It wouldn't really make sense for Detroit to give up a good pick or prospect as we're still rebuilding.

If buy juicy RHD prospects you mean Seider, not a chance.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.

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redwingsfan04

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Quoting: jasalex

red wing third. Gourde TB needs to add something. His contract is terrible. On another team he is a solid middle 6 forward and will score 20 goals and be a pest.

I think a 3rd would be the highest we could go. Not sure if we'd do it in real life but I don't want Filppula to be the 2nd best C on our team.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.

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Trickster

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If Tampa attaches a minor asset with him, not much.
Less with no asset.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:35 p.m.

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clapperzzz11

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I think if TB need to clear cap space they'll let him go for a 3rd + Erne.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:38 p.m.

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jasalex

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Quoting: redwingsfan04

I think a 3rd would be the highest we could go. Not sure if we'd do it in real life but I don't want Filppula to be the 2nd best C on our team.

Tyler has always played very well during the playoffs. Discount last year, they all stunk. The time before he played with a broken hand. If he has a big playoff then I think someone well step up and offer a second. . If not a third might get it.

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.

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redwingsfan04

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Quoting: jasalex

I agree that if he plays well he could get a 2nd. If it starts to get that high I think the Red Wings will be out as we're still rebuilding and won't give up that high a pick. We might target a fringe top 6 guy in free agency like Galchenyuk or Granlund but I'm not sure if either of them would come to Detroit.

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Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:46 p.m.

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Late 2nd early 3rd

Jul. 15, 2020 at 1:53 p.m.

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redwingsfan04

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On another note what would Derek Stepan be worth? He has 1 year left at 6.5 mil and has really gone down in production over the last couple years. Arizona only has 1.5 mil in cap space next year and will want to resign Hall. Would the Coyotes pay to get off his contract or would he be another guy with positive value?

Jul. 15, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.

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Tyler Johnson does nothing for Detroit. He'll be long gone by the time they're back to competing. Tampa would have to pay Detroit future assets to take him

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