I agree. If we trade Graves I would hope for a more established top 6 forward rather than a player who is comparable to Jost.

What sort of bigger deal did you have in mind with Saad?

oh just that you can't get Saad for Graves straight up. So something else would have to be added
And in the Nylander trade they cant get Graves Straight up so they would have to sweeten it with another asset like a good draft pick or a solid prospect

I guess but Murphy is our best defensemen rn and Boqvist and Mitchell are untouchables, so Im not sure who we could trade.

I agree I think in a vacuum Maatta would be better to keep, but what we need at this point is a defensive defenseman and Carlsson's skillset is quite similar to Maattas, which I think makes him more expendable.

Soucy

no thats what Im saying. Im saying ultimately getting an LD for Joki when we have Boqvist Mitchell and Murphy all projecting as good NHLers and we have less LD prospects that project that way, that is good use of an asset.

I would not consider Nylander to Jost. Buffalo rushed him and never gave him a good chance and when he played with Chicago, Nylander put up 30 points on bottom 6 minutes. Nylander next season will have a chance to play on a top 6 line and will grow into a productive player.

That makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

Personally I wouldn't trade Graves for Saad, even in a bigger deal, unless the add from Chicago is significant enough to make it worthwhile.

Saad is a rental and can probably be had for picks without needing to give up a valuable piece off our roster. If Chicago's demands are too high then I'd just try to get Killorn from Tampa instead which works better since he has more term and a lower caphit.

There's no guarantee that Nylander will have a linear growth in production with more minutes, nor that he will find chemistry on the 2nd line.

Jost is absolutely a fair comparable. They're both 22 and have had seasons in the mid 20's in points with around 12 minutes ice-time in the bottom 6.

I'm not saying that Alexander Nylander can't break out - he very well may do, but my point is that I wouldn't want to make that gamble by trading a top 4 Dman. I don't think Graves should be traded - at least not until one or both of Timmins and Byram are established NHLers, but if he is then it should certainly be in a package for an established top 6 forward. For example, Graves+ for Domi.

Thats why Nylander type deal bc of being an RFA is more tempting, but Saad is the better player and his 2way game fits the Avs. They would have to be confident they can sign him that fits their cap structure going forward. Similar to Tatar etc type deals (not including Timmins in those deals) they would be done knowing they can extend them fitting their window

yea I could see the gamble but this was Nylander's first full nhl season he only played less then 20 games in buffalo and the rest in the AHL. for a 30 point rookie with the around 12 minutes it fair to say that he will grow as a player

Yeah I totally agree that acquiring a player with term and/or team control would be ideal, both from a contract perspective and due to age profile. Nylander does tick that box, but I just don't think he's the right level of forward we should be targeting. But I'm also of the opinion that it would be risky to move Graves this offseason before Byram has established himself.

He might grow, but the fact is that he's a 22 year old who has one 26 point season and who couldn't crack a terrible Buffalo team and only featured on a bad Chicago teams bottom line. Keep in mind that if he plays in the top 6 he'd also be playing against other teams best players, and so there's no guarantee that more minutes in a bigger role would equate to more points. Not all young players can elevate their game like that. Note that I'm not trying to just bash Nylander, as the same applies to Jost to a certain extent as well.

Vlasic. So he can play with his cousin. Pickles with Baby Pickles. Its a match made in heaven.

Sanderson

Only if the Sharks take Seabrook

Yes if you throw in Beaudin we will do that.

Hard pass

Dermott can be had for Murphy if the Leafs add a bit

We need a 1st liner or 1st line potential on the left and Dermott definitely is not that guy

I don't think you are aware it seems but Carlsson is for sure ready, and Beaudin is pretty close and Vlassic is a couple years away. We need a 1st line LHD to relieve Keith or at least a 1b guy, we don't need more 2nd and 3rd line guys...that would be a poor assessment.

That took him 4 yrs and a trade to even get to a bottom 6 role on a bad team. Even he couldn’t crack a top 6 role in either BUF or CHI on what planet does he play in the top 6 in COL. Pass.

it's a fair trade it just isn't that tempting for the avs. i think they would want someone more established or someone younger who expansion draft exempt. unfortunately nylander is in the middle of those two.

I wouldn’t consider him with Jost either, he isn’t as good. Jost managed to become a 2 way middle 6 forward even after being rushed to soon into the NHL. Jost has sat around that 30 pt mark being bounced around the line up with different line mates taking on multiple roles. Given an opportunity (something that won’t happen in COL) he’ll be a 40-50pt 2nd line C who can play in any role.