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No Cap Dumps or UFAs

Created by: redwingsfan04
Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 20, 2020
Published: Jul. 20, 2020
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This is a team I put together without taking on cap dumps or signing any UFA's. Just to be clear, I wouldn't necessarily make all these moves if we were able to acquire other guys in a cap dump trade or sign some UFA's to fill the same role. This is based on a hypothetical scenario where we are unable to take any pure cap dumps and absolutely no UFA's will sign in Detroit.

TOR Trade:
Johnsson is a guy I'd be willing to take a chance on. If the Red Wings don't acquire any other good forwards this offseason, Johnsson could play a 2nd line role with Detroit. He's still 25 so if he turns out to be a long-term fit, he's still young enough that he could still be around when Detroit is competing for the playoffs again. With consistent top 6 minutes, maybe he turns out like Fabbri and has a boost in scoring after ariving in Detroit.

The Leafs are in cap trouble and it appears as if Johnsson is on the trade block. The Leafs would get a mid-round pick back for him. I know that some Toronto fans will want more back but with the flat-cap I'm not sure if you'll be able to get a 2nd.

VAN Trade:
Detroit needs to add 1-2 NHL LHD this offseason. If we can't add anybody from FA, I think Benn would be a good candidate. Benn is a decent 3rd pair LHD. Many of the better options would require a 2nd/3rd and wouldn't really make sense for rebuilding Detroit. Benn would be a cheap option and is solid defensively which is why I'd take a chance on him. Please, nobody comment about Benn being a cap dump, he's only making $2 million. Also, Benn would be a trade candidate at the TDL given his term and salary. If he plays well in Detroit, we could gain an even higher pick when trading him at the deadline.

With Vancouver's cap situation and Benn being expendable, I think they'll be willing to take this to clear another contract off the books.

PIT Trade:
Detroit would need to acquire another goalie (since we can't sign one in FA) so we might as well take a chance on Murray. He is coming off a bad season so we could buy cheap on him. If he improves back to his former self, than Detroit has their goalie of the future.

Pittsburgh gets a decent offer for Murray and gets to go forward with Jarry. This offer is below market-value but Pittsburgh might make the trade if there aren't any better offers.

Note: In a normal scenario where Detroit could sign another goalie in free agency, I don't think we should trade for Murray. We'd be better off waiting a couple years in case one of our goalie prospects turns out. Also, we'll have a much better team in a couple years which could really help out a goalie rather then putting them in a bad place. If we still need a goalie when we begin to rise back up to a playoff team, we could make a similar trade for a goalie then.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$5,000,000
1$1,500,000
1$735,000
2$2,500,000
1$874,125
6$6,500,000
1$874,125
1$735,000
1$4,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (VGK)
2.
VAN
  1. 2021 5th round pick (DET)
3.
DET
  1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
PIT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
Condition: The 2021 4th round pick (DET) becomes the 2021 3rd round pick (DET) if Murray wins at least 20 games during the 2020-21 NHL Regular Season.
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$65,996,583$0$1,857,500$15,503,417
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
LW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$735,000$735,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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$714,166$714,166 (Performance Bonus$157,500$158K)
RD
RFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167
RD
RFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,083,333$6,083,333
C
UFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 20, 2020 at 6:53 p.m.
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You win in my book just for not making another salary dump trade
Jul. 20, 2020 at 6:55 p.m.
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Even with a flat cap I find it hard to believe that Toronto doesn't get a 2nd for Johnsson. He should return a similar value to what Washington got for Burakovsky, maybe slightly less because teams will be cap strapped
Jul. 20, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Sarakas
You win in my book just for not making another salary dump trade


Lol. I'm kind of getting sick of them. Some Wings fans are asking for WAY to much, and are suggesting that anyone making over 2 mil and isn't a superstar is a cap dump. On the other side, some people are just offering us scraps to take on some terrible contracts. I've tried to find a middle ground but no matter what people are unhappy.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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Even with a flat cap I find it hard to believe that Toronto doesn't get a 2nd for Johnsson. He should return a similar value to what Washington got for Burakovsky, maybe slightly less because teams will be cap strapped


I definitely wouldn't be suprised if he gets a 2nd. If it gets that high I don't think Detroit would be involved. If Toronto has to settle for a 3rd and maybe a later pick I think Detroit would be interested.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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Boys we got a lock for another top 5 pick!
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:05 p.m.
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Boys we got a lock for another top 5 pick!


I think we'll end up with a top-5 pick no matter what. As long as we don't finish 23 points out of second last...
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Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:14 p.m.
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Overpay for Murray.

Murray
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:17 p.m.
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Overpay for Murray.

Murray


I agree. As I said in the explanation, I don’t really think a Murray trade makes sense for the Wings given our current situation but in this hypothetical situation where we needed another goalie, I just decided to include it.
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Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:21 p.m.
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Overpay for Murray.

Murray


I found the penguins hater tears of joy

ain't no way in hell the penguins would accept that.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: redwingsfan04
I think we'll end up with a top-5 pick no matter what. As long as we don't finish 23 points out of second last...

I agree with you. We need those top 5 picks in order to build around and I’d like adjustments to be more competitive.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:39 p.m.
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Quoting: redwingsfan04
I agree. As I said in the explanation, I don’t really think a Murray trade makes sense for the Wings given our current situation but in this hypothetical situation where we needed another goalie, I just decided to include it.


I didn't realize Detroit had an actual starting goaltender. Imo they are better off getting Murray and letting Howard go
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:44 p.m.
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I didn't realize Detroit had an actual starting goaltender. Imo they are better off getting Murray and letting Howard go


Howard will 100% be let go. Bernier is our starter at the moment. He was actually pretty solid last year, especially in the second half of the season. I think that Detroit should sign another goalie in free agency (Khudobin, Talbot, Greiss) that can split starts with Bernier.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.
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I found the penguins hater tears of joy

ain't no way in hell the penguins would accept that.


Really a Penguins hater grow up. Say what you want but from his first full season until now he ranks in the mid 30s in GAA and SV%. Bernier had better numbers than him him this season and Murray had a much better team in front of him. So I don't see why anyone would give up a 2nd for him. Go ahead and click the link to see his average numbers.

Murray vs League
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:04 p.m.
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The AHL-level Detriot Red Wings need to match the RFA Compensation of 1st+3rd for Murray. Obviously not this year's 1st, but next year's will be fine.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:12 p.m.
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The AHL-level Detriot Red Wings need to match the RFA Compensation of 1st+3rd for Murray. Obviously not this year's 1st, but next year's will be fine.


Yeah...no
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:21 p.m.
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Quoting: redwingsfan04
Yeah...no


It wasn't a question.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:26 p.m.
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It wasn't a question.


Doesn’t make sense to sign any RFA since our pick will be at least top 10 next year
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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The AHL-level Detriot Red Wings need to match the RFA Compensation of 1st+3rd for Murray. Obviously not this year's 1st, but next year's will be fine.

We are good signing a FA goalie no need wasting assets on Murray.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Lol. I'm kind of getting sick of them. Some Wings fans are asking for WAY to much, and are suggesting that anyone making over 2 mil and isn't a superstar is a cap dump. On the other side, some people are just offering us scraps to take on some terrible contracts. I've tried to find a middle ground but no matter what people are unhappy.


Thank you. It drives me crazy how every trade is only seen as a cap dump and people ignore any good in a player if salary is even slightly on high side. Seems everybody is constantly trying to pay teams to take players that just doesn’t happen nearly as often as this site suggests.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:42 p.m.
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Doesn’t make sense to sign any RFA since our pick will be at least top 10 next year


Yeah, that's why you need a decent goalie. One that actually knows what a "W" is.

People put to much value into advanced stats. Moneyball doesn't work. Watch the players play as opposed to searching for goals above expectations on Wednesdays when it is cloudy out...
Jul. 20, 2020 at 8:59 p.m.
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Yeah, that's why you need a decent goalie. One that actually knows what a "W" is.

People put to much value into advanced stats. Moneyball doesn't work. Watch the players play as opposed to searching for goals above expectations on Wednesdays when it is cloudy out...


Yeah that's right. We sucked enough last year so why don't we acquire a goalie who played worse than our current goalie on a better team. Why? Because his team won more games than ours.

Instead of using stats to evaluate players why don't we watch them play 5 times a year and obtain huge biases on how each player plays. Then, when someone brings up a stat to prove that a player on your favorite team isn't as good as you think he is, completely disregard stats all together because you're obviously not wrong.

Obviously, we shouldn't completely base everything on advanced stats, but to completely disregard them because people like you are to stupid to understand how they work would be foolish.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.
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Yeah that's right. We sucked enough last year so why don't we acquire a goalie who played worse than our current goalie on a better team. Why? Because his team won more games than ours.

Instead of using stats to evaluate players why don't we watch them play 5 times a year and obtain huge biases on how each player plays. Then, when someone brings up a stat to prove that a player on your favorite team isn't as good as you think he is, completely disregard stats all together because you're obviously not wrong.

Obviously, we shouldn't completely base everything on advanced stats, but to completely disregard them because people like you are to stupid to understand how they work would be foolish.


Moneyball doesn't work. Period.

Stats are just stats. No advanced stat is any better, or worse, than good old +/- at saying if one guy is better than another.

5 times a year... People like you simply dont bother to actually watch games other than your team, or maybe not watch many games period, so you use advanced stats in a failed attempt to look like you know what you are talking about. But you don't and it is obvious.

Go ahead and sign Lehner, and good luck with the draft lottery next year.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.
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Moneyball doesn't work. Period.

Stats are just stats. No advanced stat is any better, or worse, than good old +/- at saying if one guy is better than another.

5 times a year... People like you simply dont bother to actually watch games other than your team, or maybe not watch many games period, so you use advanced stats in a failed attempt to look like you know what you are talking about. But you don't and it is obvious.

Go ahead and sign Lehner, and good luck with the draft lottery next year.


Not going to bother arguing with someone who thinks that +/- is a good stat.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 9:46 p.m.
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Not going to bother arguing with someone who thinks that +/- is a good stat.


Ugh... it's like talking to a wall. I dont think +/- is a good stat, just like all of your precious advanced stats arent worth anything. Maybe take a little time to let the words sink in. Like literally talking to a wall, that the quality of interaction I am getting here.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.
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Really a Penguins hater grow up. Say what you want but from his first full season until now he ranks in the mid 30s in GAA and SV%. Bernier had better numbers than him him this season and Murray had a much better team in front of him. So I don't see why anyone would give up a 2nd for him. Go ahead and click the link to see his average numbers.

Murray vs League


he's had one of the worst defense's in the league in front of him the last 2 years.

FFS JJ was his 1LD for like 3/4 the year this year. And you think the problem is Murray.
 
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