Asking for a lot for Murray oilers pass very easily

Its funny how people think Murray is worth a lot more than he actually is.

Ok wise guy...what do you get for Murray?

Hes probably worth a early to mid 2nd in value. Sure he won 2 cups but he was trash this last year and teams are still going to have to pay him ~5M. Such a big FA market for goalies, if I'm a GM, I'll just sign Lehner for 6.5-7M instead of paying to acquire Murray

I know what's not happening. OTT isn't taking JJ for a 6th.
Not after that playoffs. He killed any value he created.

that's every team who needs a goalie... I'll just sign Lehner for 6.5 million..... like 5 teams can't sign 1 guy.

For Ottawa to take on Johnson the Pens would need to add a 1st or a good prospect to that deal at a minimum.

But theres a lot of UFA goalies this offseason, most options are as good or better than Murray

*sigh*
Domi isn’t getting traded at all, but even if he were, that package is straight up laughable. Domi is good for at least 50 points, but with high ice time and good line mates, he can likely hit 60 points (and maybe even 70 points again) under the proper circumstances. I know you may think that Domi and MTL are done, but that’s just another false narrative created by the media and fans. If he gets traded, it’ll be for an overpay. If Bergevin hypothetically receives this offer from GMJR, I think would laugh for 5 minutes uncontrollably, counter offer with Alzner for Poulin and PIT’s 2020 first, then block his number and continue his extension talks with Domi.

where, have you even looked at the list. There is realisticly 2. Lehner and Holtby. Everyone under the sun wants to sign Lehrner, which will probably cost a fortune because of that and in the end not worth it. And a lot of people view Holtby as washed as he's 31 and his stats have gone down. Not saying he doesn't have a few good years left, he might. But that isn't the perception. And at 31 any term you sign with him is going to be up there in age. Where Murray is much younger.

Statistically speaking, Markstrom, Lehner, Crawford, Greiss, Khudobin, Ullmark, Smith, Elliot, etc. are better UFA options than Murray would be even if he was one. As for young goalies that could be traded for the equivalent price tag, Demko and Georgiev come to mind. Murray had under a .900 save % on a team where another goalie had a .921

After a below .900 season the value should not be that high

I think all teams say no?

Domi this year: 17 goals 44 points in 71 games .62 ppg
Mccann: 14 goals 35 points in 66 games .53 ppg

Yeah such a laughable offer considering theres not a big difference in their production this year. Stop thinking Domi has the same value as he did last year

Down year versus career year. If you don't like the price for Domi, don't trade for him. As ALL Canadiens fans have been saying, any deal for Domi, starts with the 15th OA pick.

Domi had a down year? lmao ok. Guess he also had a down year 2017/18 when he scored 45 points and a down year in 2016/17 when he had 38 points. Weird that he has had 3 down years in his 5 year career.

OTT declines.

You forgot to add a 1st

Markstrom will never hit the market he'll resign. Crawford is 36 years old, Elliot 35, Khudobin 34, Smith is 38, Greiss is 35...... I mean there is a reality here. You are trying to compare an orange to a bunch of apples.
Murray is 26, he's got a lot of hockey left in him.

MTL fans over value Domi. He's an RFA. If he signed a contract valued at what MTL fans want for him in a trade they would all be screaming over pay.

You are right, in the 2nd and 3rd year of his career, those were his numbers. The 38 point year he missed significant time. The first couple of years is also typical to be lower than their prime years obviously. So yes, I consider this a down year, even though he likely overachieved a bit last year. Every single season he has been on pace for 50+ points over 82 games, so it is what it is. You are indeed ignoring all of McCann's history, taking a career year, and comparing it directly to Domi in somewhat of a down year. All of this is true.

Asking for a mid 1st round pick for a centerman that puts up 50 point pace year after year isn't "overvaluing". Sorry we don't want the 20+ garbage packages we see daily from Penguin fans. Go trade for a player that's not "overvalued" then.

A. I don't trade for Domi, I don't think he's a fit for the penguins. The last thing they need is another 5'10 forward.
B. Domi is a 3C. Who will want a higher contract than what he's worth.
C. You can keep talking about a 50 point pace, but he's put up roughly 40 points year after year. Teams pay for what they get, not what they should have got out of aguy.

1. every day, many Pen fans post the same garbage offers. They should read the comments, and either improve the offer, or just drop it. Its the same garbage being offered daily, nothing new.
2. Domi is a 2nd line C on most teams, but obviously not in Pittsburgh. IF they want him, its likely to play on 1st or 2nd line LW.
3. GMs do far more research than opening up NHL.com/stats and looking at the most basic of numbers. Points per game pace isn't even that much more complicated. Domi not only puts up 50 point/82 game pace year after year, I think anyone that watches Domi knows he brings far more than his scoring production in his game. So no, we don't want garbage from Pittsburgh, and no we don't care about your most basic/lazy research into players values.

A. everyday on here there are lots of stupid hockey trade posts.
B. Domi is not a 2nd line center on many good teams. Clearly on teams that need center help, but on most good teams AKA teams that have 2 legit top 6 centers, he's a 3C. And that's really the defninition.
C. Clearly teams look at what players bring other than points, they also look at how they get those points. 2nd assists, PP etc... But don't get to full of yourself as if that's some justification. As I said, the last thing the penguins need is another five foot nothing winger.

At least we agree its a bad fit to begin with then. And yeah, terrible trades proposed daily. But look over the last 48 hours, almost every Domi to Pens trade is almost the exact same.

And canadien fans offer the same exact counteroffer. Poulin and a 1st, which is on par with pens fans proposals for Domi. It goes both ways