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fixed the old chicago trade

Created by: Ekaansh
Initial Creation Date: Sep 20, 2020
Published: Sep 20, 2020 at 9:00
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason2$800,000
Boyle, Brian2$1,125,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Kuemper, Darcy
  2. Oesterle, Jordan
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (ARI)
  4. 2021 5th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
    A bag of pucks
    BUF
    1. Marincin, Martin
    TOR
    1. Trocheck, Vincent
    2. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
    3. 2020 5th round pick (MTL)
    CAR
    1. Andersen, Frederik
    2. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
    3. Rodrigues, Evan [RFA Rights]
    TOR
    1. Murphy, Connor
    CHI
    1. Johnsson, Andreas
    2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
    Buyouts
    • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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    PIT
    BUF
    TOR
    VGK
    VGK
    MTL
    TOR
    COL
    CAR
    SJS
    STL
    WPG
    2021
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ARI
    TOR
    TOR
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ARI
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$77,434,084$0$0$4,065,916

    Roster

    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    TOR
    Hyman, Zach
    $2,250,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    CAR
    Trocheck, Vincent
    $4,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $821,667
    LW
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Kerfoot, Alexander
    $3,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Barabanov, Alexander
    $925,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Boyle, Brian
    $1,125,000
    LW, C
    UFA
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $800,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Korshkov, Yegor
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    $5,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Murphy, Connor
    $3,850,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    $4,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Oesterle, Jordan
    $1,400,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    TOR
    Lehtonen, Mikko
    $925,000
    LD
    UFA - 1

    Special Teams

    Power Play 1
    Tavares, J.
    Matthews, A.
    Marner, M.
    Rielly, M.
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    Power Play 2
    Robertson, N.
    Trocheck, V.
    Barabanov, A.
    Sandin, R.
    Oesterle, J.
    Penalty Kill 1
    Hyman, Z.
    Marner, M.
    Muzzin, J.
    Holl, J.
    Penalty Kill 2
    Kerfoot, A.
    Mikheyev, I.
    Oesterle, J.
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:02
    #1
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    Chicago passes. Need Murphy way more and he’s probably worth more.
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:03
    #2
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    Ekaansh_m80
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    Quoting: thesaadfather
    Chicago passes. Need Murphy way more and he’s probably worth more.


    fair
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:05
    #3
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    None of those trades go through. Gross overpayment to Arizona. Underpayment to Chicago. Maybe that Carolina trade goes through, not sure how much it really helps either team?
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:05
    #4
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    Are you sure Kuemper is an upgrade over Andersen? And Mikheyev is projected to get closer the $3mil per season. Also, I'm pretty sure it would take a lot more to get Nylander unless you see this as a salary dump.
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:07
    #5
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    Johnson is worth like a 4th round pick maybe and Murphy is worth a first all day long. try again
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:11
    #6
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    Quoting: NMAvsFan
    Are you sure Kuemper is an upgrade over Andersen? And Mikheyev is projected to get closer the $3mil per season. Also, I'm pretty sure it would take a lot more to get Nylander unless you see this as a salary dump.


    He may not be an upgrade, but he'll thrive with our new defensive depth. Also Mikheyev was injured for a lot of the season so he wouldn't be earning that much on his new contract. Also heard multiple rumours from other leafs fanpages that Mikheyev could sign for a similar deal comapred to mine.
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:13
    #7
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    Quoting: thesaadfather
    Chicago passes. Need Murphy way more and he’s probably worth more.


    fixed the chicago trade
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:13
    #8
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    Ekaansh_m80
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Johnson is worth like a 4th round pick maybe and Murphy is worth a first all day long. try again


    I did try again lol
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:14
    #9
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    Quoting: Ekaansh
    I did try again lol


    hawks don't want johnson period. If you want murphy its eighther your 1st this year or next year
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:17
    #10
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    hawks don't want johnson period. If you want murphy its eighther your 1st this year or next year


    I was thinking I could chip in Andersen to Chicago but idk since you could probably use Crawford for 1 more year
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:26
    #11
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    Quoting: Ekaansh
    I was thinking I could chip in Andersen to Chicago but idk since you could probably use Crawford for 1 more year


    Yeah, Anderson isn't the answer for who's gonna be our goalie in 10 years so the hawks don't really want Anderson. We would rather just sign crow for 1 mil ish cheaper to be the short term goalie
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:34
    #12
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Yeah, Anderson isn't the answer for who's gonna be our goalie in 10 years so the hawks don't really want Anderson. We would rather just sign crow for 1 mil ish cheaper to be the short term goalie


    so if the leafs were interested in murphy, realistically what do you think the hawks would want/need back in return?
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:48
    #13
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    Quoting: Ekaansh
    so if the leafs were interested in murphy, realistically what do you think the hawks would want/need back in return?


    Trade your 1st round pick. The only player on the Leafs the Hawks have interest in that is conceivably tradeable is Nylander (Matthews is not). Johnsson is nothing more then a cap dump to the Hawks, we have zero room for a bottom 6 winger costing $3.4M. Think about the Hawks wingers; Kubalik, Kane, Saad, Debrincat; Johnsson is a 3rd liner.
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:57
    #14
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    Trade your 1st round pick. The only player on the Leafs the Hawks have interest in that is conceivably tradeable is Nylander (Matthews is not). Johnsson is nothing more then a cap dump to the Hawks, we have zero room for a bottom 6 winger costing $3.4M. Think about the Hawks wingers; Kubalik, Kane, Saad, Debrincat; Johnsson is a 3rd liner.


    Is murphy really worth a first round pick? I get that hockey isn't all about points but I'm not so sure a first rounder is worth a defenseman who didn't even score 20 points this year. I could be wrong, but I've also never heard of him until this years playoffs started.
    Sep 20, 2020 at 10:50
    #15
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    Quoting: Ekaansh
    Is murphy really worth a first round pick? I get that hockey isn't all about points but I'm not so sure a first rounder is worth a defenseman who didn't even score 20 points this year. I could be wrong, but I've also never heard of him until this years playoffs started.


    You must not be following enough hockey outside of the Leafs. Murphy is a physical stay at home defender, his job isn't to score points. There are a lot of very good stay at home defenders who score 20 points.
    Sep 20, 2020 at 10:57
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    Quoting: thesaadfather
    Chicago passes. Need Murphy way more and he’s probably worth more.


    This was the only trade that wasn't heavily weighted against the Leafs.
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 10:57
    #17
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    Quoting: Ekaansh
    Is murphy really worth a first round pick? I get that hockey isn't all about points but I'm not so sure a first rounder is worth a defenseman who didn't even score 20 points this year. I could be wrong, but I've also never heard of him until this years playoffs started.


    That guy is a Hawks Homer, he legit things Saad is worth Nylander. There is no reasoning with him.
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    Sep 20, 2020 at 11:18
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    Quoting: newballcoach
    None of those trades go through. Gross overpayment to Arizona. Underpayment to Chicago. Maybe that Carolina trade goes through, not sure how much it really helps either team?


    it doesn't
    Sep 20, 2020 at 11:22
    #19
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Johnson is worth like a 4th round pick maybe and Murphy is worth a first all day long. try again


    If Johnsson is worth a 4th then we will take Murphy for a 3rd...

    I get there’s no need for Johnsson on the hawks. This trade really doesn’t do anything for them. That doesn’t make Johnsson worth a 4th.
    Sep 21, 2020 at 8:42
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    If Johnsson is worth a 4th then we will take Murphy for a 3rd...

    I get there’s no need for Johnsson on the hawks. This trade really doesn’t do anything for them. That doesn’t make Johnsson worth a 4th.


    Johnson is a cap dump to most teams. He makes 3.4 million and in a flat cap world he's worth no where near that. Additionally, he plays 86% of his time with mathews and is the most assisted to player in the NHL. Away from mathews he does absolutly nothing. Murphy is a shut down top 4 RHD also on a great contract. those don't grow on trees. Overpaid middle 6 wingers are everywhere
    Sep 21, 2020 at 9:30
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Johnson is a cap dump to most teams. He makes 3.4 million and in a flat cap world he's worth no where near that. Additionally, he plays 86% of his time with mathews and is the most assisted to player in the NHL. Away from mathews he does absolutly nothing. Murphy is a shut down top 4 RHD also on a great contract. those don't grow on trees. Overpaid middle 6 wingers are everywhere


    Away from Matthews he does nothing is false. He plays with Matthews because he is smart with the puck and it is actually nylander that they try to keep him with because they have great chemistry. He worked his way up there by putting up solid numbers, like scoring a hat trick in one period with brown and lindholm as his line mates.

    I get he had a rough season last year but I’m not going to fault a guy who breaks his leg blocking shots.

    As a leafs fan I would live to keep Johnsson because he is really good. But he is a guy leafs can afford to lose because of lW depth. But he is in my opinion the 4th best winger on the leafs behind Hyman. And I may just be biased because of Hyman’s team first attitude and work ethic.
    Sep 21, 2020 at 9:39
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Away from Matthews he does nothing is false. He plays with Matthews because he is smart with the puck and it is actually nylander that they try to keep him with because they have great chemistry. He worked his way up there by putting up solid numbers, like scoring a hat trick in one period with brown and lindholm as his line mates.

    I get he had a rough season last year but I’m not going to fault a guy who breaks his leg blocking shots.

    As a leafs fan I would live to keep Johnsson because he is really good. But he is a guy leafs can afford to lose because of lW depth. But he is in my opinion the 4th best winger on the leafs behind Hyman. And I may just be biased because of Hyman’s team first attitude and work ethic.


    If he made like 2 mil it would be a different story i guess
    Sep 21, 2020 at 9:55
    #23
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    If he made like 2 mil it would be a different story i guess


    So when kubalik gets over 2m we can call that a bad contract?
    Sep 21, 2020 at 11:13
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    So when kubalik gets over 2m we can call that a bad contract?


    Kubalik scores 30 goals as a rookie and doesn't play with kane like how Johnson plays with Mathews. How are Johnson and Kubalik comparable at all lol. Even leafs fans know kubalik is waaaaayyyy better
    Sep 21, 2020 at 11:19
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Kubalik scores 30 goals as a rookie and doesn't play with kane like how Johnson plays with Mathews. How are Johnson and Kubalik comparable at all lol. Even leafs fans know kubalik is waaaaayyyy better


    So what your saying is he will be on a bad contract?
     
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