Realistically i dont think theres too much motivation for MTL to swap Alzner for De Haan and give us a 1st for it. Very similar contract, and the expectation is that Romanov slots into that 2LD spot so either way whoever it is is gonna be the 3LD and not play meaningful minutes

Alright, maybe there's a better team to take on DeHaan while Montreal still gets rid of Alzner in a deal for a pick or a prospect?

WPG MTL COL all decline

I had the idea Roslovic wanted out of Wpg? And they still need a LHD and possibly a forward? But of course they could still decline.

Mtl I discussed with the guy above, maybe CDH goes somewhere else and Alzner still goes to Chicago?

Colorado could decline, but I'm sure some team wants a winger scoring 10 and getting 18 points in 48 games this year?

A 4th for Caggiula isn’t unreasonable COL just doesn’t need to add to the bottom 6.

WPG I’m not a Jets fan, but for me the difference lies in Roslovic, He Is far and away the most attractive piece of the trade.

I think he is, but Perrault is a burden, while Määttä and Shaw are pretty solid players at decent costs. If Roslovic wants out I don't think this is that unattractive of an offer - depending on what direction the Jets want to go in. As I said, it doesn't have to be the Avs, but most competing teams can probably sling a pick at Chicago for Caggiula. Colorado strikes me as a team to get good value in trades more than anything.

No reason for the Jets to do that.

Is Roslovic more settled? I had the idea he wanted out, but maybe I'm seeing things. Määttä is coming off a pretty good season, and while Shaw obviously had it tough this year, he was great in 18-19. Is the value really that off if Wpg want to compete this year?

pretty sure i was that guy lol. This team is not better than the current one. It's going no where with Dell and Delia as the tandem.swaping saad for Roslovic is a huge downgrade as well, and the defence is attrocious. There's no way this is the right path for the hawks. They should eigther stay the course or try to aquire young already established talent (like sergachev which is what I originally proposed) to add the the young core of Dach, Cat, Kubalik, Boqvist, etc.

yeah i think the consensus for De Haan is NJ for a 3rd or 4th, depending on how youre feeling that day. As for Alzner getting out of MTL, might be a little tougher but ultimately probably wont cost them a 1st, they arent in dire need for a big cap boost

I don't know but he's a controlled asset for 4 more years and that 2nd rounder is 40th overall, I wouldn't part with either for Määtä or Shaw.
There was a rumor he wanted out but should they just cave in and trade him for this if that rumor is true? Nah, not in my opinion anyway.

Hawks might have to buyout Määtä or give Da Haan away to create cap space, those could be cheaper options for the Jets to get a 2nd pair LHD.

If the Jets want to compete this year it'll take a major overhaul and the guy with Dayoff in his name has never been a very active GM so getting back to contender status in one offseason seems highly unlikely.

What I think this accomplishes is setting the team up for a real run again in a few years, instead of trying to patch up a ship that keeps on sinking. I feel like Chicago's already on the second run of patching up the mentioned, metaphorical, first round of patches. Of course Saad is better, of course the defense is worse, but you gather assets to make a serious run rather than slowly morphing into the Minnesota Wild.

Sure, that could happen too. I wouldn't buy out an improved Määttä, but maybe DeHaan is a better fit in Wpg.

Agree and hawks decline the Calgary and Boston trades.

Draft picks and getting younger doesn't always automatically translate into competing in a few years, although overall Bowman/Kelly have been good at drafting players. It's a good thought though to see what trying to get picks/youngers while keeping Toews/Kane/Keith/Seabs would look like. Problem is of course it looks like one should bet the under on wins and over on goals allowed, hah.

Maybe Alzner gets better with a change of scenery? I don't know. Otherwise I don't see how this team is better, especially since the goaltending isn't as good as last year's team when they started out with Lehner/Crawford in tandem. I think the sum of the trades is a step back, and for a team like the Blackhawks with Bowman at least being on the hot seat (or should be if not), I don't think they're in a spot to take even a minor step back.

Oh I agree I don't think they are better. But the point being they are probably that in 2 years or so. Otherwise I think you're looking at this team in two years and wonder why you gave up draft picks or capital (or not accumulating it, which really should be viewed as the exact same thing - staying put is as much of a decision as trying to renew). I don't think Alzner will be good, but I also don't think Chicago should try to be before their roster is flowing with more talent. You don't have to agree with me though!

The only assets that were gathered were a few 2nd round picks. That MTL trade isn't happenening. Statisticly the percentages show the chances of that second round pick being a quality player is pretty low. If you're lucky 2 of those 4 2nd turn out. And why couldn't saad and murphy surive a retool and be ready to help make a run in 2-3 years. They are both just entering their prime at 27 years old and could be key pieces in a run down the line. The logic to trade them for 2nd round picks and a few scraps doesn't make any sense to me

Bjork is an NHLer, just younger and on a cheaper contract. He might be as good as Saad is in 2 years for all we know, and he makes significantly less money. Murphy will require a bigger contract at that point as well. Either you can trade up, or you take the small chance that still is that a 2nd round player becomes Bergeron, Kucherov or whoever. The more picks you have the more likely it becomes you actually find something in the lower rounds.

Here’s the the thing though for COL bottom 6, they Compher, Donskoi, Calvert and PEB all under contract for next year. Jost and Nichushkin are RFA’s and LOC and Kaut are ready for the NHL full time with Bowers probably another 1/2 season away. That’s 8 guys for 6 spots. But I’m not going to really ball at a trade that nets an NHLer for a 4th rd pick, just don’t think they do it.

Yeah I thought that too just not trying to spike everything people do on here, especially when it isn’t ‘my team’