this is the worlds easiest no from Phi.

Interesting offer. I'm not sure if we accept which probably means the value's pretty fair

That's a no from Winnipeg.

lol. The guys above and below me both disagree which probably means the value is prety fair.

This man above me is a psycho (windjammer not kryzyk0) Jets 100% say yes, PHI likely says no. Frost is our 2C of the future, Patrick had a chance to rebound and become a middle six guy, ghost likely plays 2LD with Myers. Myers is a promising RD that the Jets need and the 1st is great too. I honestly think that the value is close, Pionk isn’t Myers but he’s still good and could be good for a 2PP option. Vesalainen likely has a good chance in phi as he needs a change of scenery. I honestly think this is a close trade, good value. Just think PHI says no. Maybe if you swapped Vesalainen for a better prospect. Maybe it’s Heinola + Laine + Pionk for Ghost, Frost, Patrick, Myers and 1st + 3rd. Heinola is likely a luxury having Samberg, Morrissey and Ghost on the left side.

I think the value is close, just likely PHI says no as there are a lot of pieces going both ways and I think Frost + Myers + Ghost + Patrick + 1st > Laine + Pionk + Vesalainen.

I think Myers + Frost + late 1st = Laine and Ghost + Patrick > Pionk + Vesalainen which is why I suggested Heinola over Vesa. Unless I’m overvaluing Frost

It's decent value, but the Jets aren't taking Ghost and Patrick as part of the return. The guy above me is a fool and there is no chance the Jets would take to low value players while giving up Laine and Pionk. There would also be no chance the Jets add Heinola, as I said the guy above me is a fool and has no idea on player values.

Can you explain to me what has super high value in the trade on wpgs side besides Laine? Pionk is overrated, imo he’s a decent 2RD that should play 2PP. Vesalainen likely has middle six potential at this point. Unless I’m overvaluing frost this is a good move for wpg. We get someone with bounce back potential in ghost who would be good for our second PP. we get a potential 2C in frost, a really solid 2RD with size in Myers and a potential middle 6 player in Patrick. The 1st is late but in a stacked draft. Isn’t this exactly what the Jets should be looking for in a Laine package? Solid C prospect, top 4 RHD + a 1st and a guy who was drafted 2nd OA with some decent potential.

So I've got "yes" and "no" on both sides so I'm going to assume it's pretty close which is why I posted it. I think it addresses both teams needs.



I'm not sure Heinola does a lot more for Philli though as they already have Provy and Sanheim as their top 2 LHD that are young. I'd prefer to keep him to see if he could transition to the right side so long term we run Jmo - Myers and then Samberg - Heinola as our top 4.

You obviously hate it by saying "it's the world's easiest no", but can you elaborate on why?

I think you're overvaluing Ghost + Patrick in the above evaluation. Ghost was healthy scratched a number of times this season including in the playoffs and has a $4.5M hit for 3 more years. In a flat cap world that is no good. Patrick may never play hockey again but is from Winnipeg so I took him as a potential home run reclamation project. If he can get the migraines/injuries under control he could turn into a top 6 player for the Jets, but the risk is there that he doesn't pan out with a worst case scenario being him never playing another game, which is why he's one of many parts and not the main return. IMO.

We'll start with the easy stuff. The first is always nice and Vesalainen doesn't matter one way or the other.

Patrick- maybe worth a 3rd? He's a walking injury and the Jets should have no interest in him.

Ghost - LD so not a team need and horrific defensively. The exact opposite of what the Jets need, and far worse than Pionk.

Myers - RD which is great and would be a really nice piece, but with only one year under his belt, hasn't proven what Laine has, but still a really good player.

Frost- looks good, but hasn't proven anything yet, but could be really good.

So, the Jets are giving by far the best, most proven player and a RD that they need and getting an RD that looks really good, a center prospect that could be anything, but also getting saddled with a bad player with a bad contract and an injury.

I know most people always highly over value prospects, but you are taking it to the extreme. You want the Jets to sell Laine at a discount because he has warts, but at the same time value every young player we get at their absolute maximum potential, with no allowance for them not hitting that potential.,as of course they have no warts.
And now you want the Jets to just kick in Heinola for the hell of it.

I just don't think the value is as spectacular as you want it to be.

However, I do appreciate you taking the time to lay out your case.

This is what makes me wonder about the trade for the Jets because we're getting back a lot of potential but not a lot that is proven and some of what is proven, is proven to be bad (Ghost + contract). I'd be hoping that Seattle took Ghost in the expansion draft, but we can keep him on the bottom pair/pressbox as needed if they don't as long as we keep Heinola.

I obviously thought I tried to balance it on both sides but I do appreciate the feedback from other posters perspectives.

I got a quarter of the way through you comment and tapped like, this return wouldn't interest me one bit from a Jets perspective, idk why so many want to undersell Laine for some spare parts that may or may not amount to anything and then throw in Pionk and Vesalainen cause why not I guess?.. I don't get it.

Yes like I said maybe I am overvaluing frost, and undervaluing Laine but idk, Myers looks really good and could be locked up long term at a good price. Ghost maybe is worse than I think and isn’t a good add to this but idk. I just feel like the Jets have to do something now if they want to win. They need to patch 2C and 2RD and I think Laine is the only guy that can get us both in a trade. Chevy won’t do any of this though he’s too patient, maybe this isn’t the right Laine deal but it would have to be hun to get both.

This is a very easy no imo, wouldn't trade Laine for this nevermind adding Pionk and Vesalainen, really undervaluing Jets assets here.

Think his reasoning would be bc Myers is basically untouchable. Flyers are already thin at RHD and basically have nothing coming on the way. Someone like Sanheim would make more sense with the Flyers having depth at LHD with Provorov Hagg as well as Zamula and York on the way soon. If there ever was a Flyers trade with Laine wouldn’t shock me at all if Sanheim was part of the deal for that reason.