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Mini-Rebuild w Pittsburgh Penguins

Created by: hockeywiz777
Initial Creation Date: Nov 25, 2020
Published: Nov 25, 2020 at 7:27
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hoffman, Mike1$6,000,000
Perry, Corey1$1,500,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
  3. 2021 6th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Rust, Bryan
  2. Rodrigues, Evan
  3. Riikola, Juuso
PIT
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. 2022 1st round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
  2. Zucker, Jason
PIT
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (CGY)
LAK
  1. McCann, Jared
  2. Sceviour, Colton
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
PIT
TOR
TOR
CGY
PIT
TOR
PIT
WSH
ANA
2022
PIT
ARI
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2023
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$74,884,959$0$850,000$6,615,041

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
Hoffman, Mike
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
PIT
Poulin, Samuel
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 3
PIT
Jankowski, Mark
$700,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
ARI
Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
Perry, Corey
$1,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 6
PIT
Ceci, Cody
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Guentzel, J.
Crosby, S.
Poulin, S.
Letang, K.
Malkin, E.
Power Play 2
Kapanen, K.
Dvorak, C.
Perry, C.
Hoffman, M.
Marino, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Tanev, B.
Jankowski, M.
Dumoulin, B.
Letang, K.
Penalty Kill 2
Crosby, S.
Dvorak, C.
Matheson, M.
Marino, J.

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Nov 25, 2020 at 7:37
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I'm going to be painfully honest here. As much as I like Dermott and as much as he's underrated on this cite, that trade favours the leafs. The LA one is good, but boy, does that yotes one favour the pens.
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:04
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I'm going to be painfully honest here. As much as I like Dermott and as much as he's underrated on this cite, that trade favours the leafs. The LA one is good, but boy, does that yotes one favour the pens.


Yes! You should be accepting that everyday!
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:20
#3
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Pens say no to all 3. McCann and MP are so young that if they are rebuilding, those are guys they should be rebuilding with. And no way they sell low on McCann. Nor should they be selling low on Rust. Especially after the season he just had.
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:24
#4
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The Toronto trade is horrible for PIT.
The others are ok but I don’t like the returns
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Nov 25, 2020 at 8:27
#5
mhockey91
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I'm going to be painfully honest here. As much as I like Dermott and as much as he's underrated on this cite, that trade favours the leafs. The LA one is good, but boy, does that yotes one favour the pens.


The yotes one is bad for the pens... same with the kings one.
Let’s say MP, a top 4 D = Christian Dvorak, a 3C.
We paid more to acquire Zucker than a first. So pens are overpaying here.

McCann is definitely equal to more than a 3rd. Hard pass
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Nov 25, 2020 at 9:01
#6
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Literally a 5 pieces of this AGM (2 signings, 3 trades) are bad for the Penguins. Half are actually horrible for the Pens.
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Nov 25, 2020 at 10:12
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Coyotes laugh.
Nov 25, 2020 at 10:12
#8
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Edited Nov 25, 2020 at 10:30
Wow that leafs trade is bad. Rust is a Point per game player. Plus Riikola, who is similar to Dermott, If not better. And adding Rodrigues to the trade too. And only getting back a 4th and a 6th round pick.

The only trade I would be interested in doing is the Arizona one. Although, I want to see what Zucker does with the Pens in a full year 1st. He had 12 points in 15 games last year after traded to us. Let’s see what he can do in a full season 1st. He’s a 20 goal scorer. Scored 20 goals plus, 5 out of his last 6 seasons. Let’s see what he does now playing with Geno and Sid. If that was the trade offer though, that Arizona pick will probably be a lottery 1st rounder too. Top 15. Plus Dvorak, who is young, and can be our 3rd line Center, with McCann on his wing, for years to come.

And no way McCann gets traded for a 5th round pick. He has had back to back 35 points seasons. Only 24 years old, 1st round pick, and has played in the NHL since he was 19. And has been bounced around from top 6 wing, to 3rd line Center, to 3rd line wing. Now the pens plan on just keeping him on the 3rd line wing all season. Cause he’s more of a scorer than a play-maker. So on offense he can just mainly concentrate on scoring. He has a great shoot. He Can snipe!! And he’s a good two-player player. Good defensively too. Spends some time on our Second PK unit.hes gonna score 20 plus goals this season for sure, just playing on the LW full time!! Watch.
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Nov 25, 2020 at 10:22
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Edited Nov 25, 2020 at 10:53
Quoting: Pensfan89
Pens say no to all 3. McCann and MP are so young that if they are rebuilding, those are guys they should be rebuilding with. And no way they sell low on McCann. Nor should they be selling low on Rust. Especially after the season he just had.

Right, this is the highest Rusts value has ever been!! He was a point per game player last year. He Had his break-out season. And if he does the same or close to it this year. Then his value is gonna be super high if we decided to trade him.
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Nov 26, 2020 at 9:56
#10
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All trades decline. Penguins are NOT rebuilding. And for the last time.... BRYAN RUST IS UNTOUCHABLE IN PITTSBURGH.
Nov 26, 2020 at 10:36
#11
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I think you could improve without downgrading on RW and LD. Dermott fine but eh

Too much movement to be practical

Not close to enough from LA and big OP for Dermott
Nov 26, 2020 at 10:40
#12
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Quoting: mhockey91
The yotes one is bad for the pens... same with the kings one.
Let’s say MP, a top 4 D = Christian Dvorak, a 3C.
We paid more to acquire Zucker than a first. So pens are overpaying here.

McCann is definitely equal to more than a 3rd. Hard pass


Ok, ya, I agree Mccan is worth more. But Dvorak is not a 3c. He's worth more than Pettersson if I had to guess. I don't know, maybe not.
Quoting: PGHBOB69
Wow that leafs trade is bad. Rust is a Point per game player. Plus Riikola, who is similar to Dermott, If not better. And adding Rodrigues to the trade too. And only getting back a 4th and a 6th round pick.

The only trade I would be interested in doing is the Arizona one. Although, I want to see what Zucker does with the Pens in a full year 1st. He had 12 points in 15 games last year after traded to us. Let’s see what he can do in a full season 1st. He’s a 20 goal scorer. Scored 20 goals plus, 5 out of his last 6 seasons. Let’s see what he does now playing with Geno and Sid. If that was the trade offer though, that Arizona pick will probably be a lottery 1st rounder too. Top 15. Plus Dvorak, who is young, and can be our 3rd line Center, with McCann on his wing, for years to come.

And no way McCann gets traded for a 5th round pick. He has had back to back 35 points seasons. Only 24 years old, 1st round pick, and has played in the NHL since he was 19. And has been bounced around from top 6 wing, to 3rd line Center, to 3rd line wing. Now the pens plan on just keeping him on the 3rd line wing all season. Cause he’s more of a scorer than a play-maker. So on offense he can just mainly concentrate on scoring. He has a great shoot. He Can snipe!! And he’s a good two-player player. Good defensively too. Spends some time on our Second PK unit.hes gonna score 20 plus goals this season for sure, just playing on the LW full time!! Watch.


I agree that leafs trade sucks for the pens, but Rust a point of game player? Riikola better than Dermott? Are you sure?
Nov 26, 2020 at 2:10
#13
mhockey91
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Ok, ya, I agree Mccan is worth more. But Dvorak is not a 3c. He's worth more than Pettersson if I had to guess. I don't know, maybe not.

I agree that leafs trade sucks for the pens, but Rust a point of game player? Riikola better than Dermott? Are you sure?


He plays 1C in Zona and has a career high of 38 points. He’s a low end 2C high end 3C
Nov 26, 2020 at 2:33
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Ok, ya, I agree Mccan is worth more. But Dvorak is not a 3c. He's worth more than Pettersson if I had to guess. I don't know, maybe not.

I agree that leafs trade sucks for the pens, but Rust a point of game player? Riikola better than Dermott? Are you sure?


Rust is a point per game player. Look at his stats. He did it last year.

And Riikola came over from Russia. Same as Lehtonen. Was the captain of his team. Was a highly touted FA signing. It takes long for defensemen longer to adjust to the NHL I’ve size and the way more physical play. Some whole game in the KHL go without 1 penalty. And he put up good stats in limited games so far. Not limited minutes. He averaged 16 minutes a game. He slides into the 2nd pairing or the 3rd pairing. He plays both LHD and RHD both equally as well. The Pens rewarded him this off season with his 1.1M contract. Like I said, they trust him in the 2nd pairing. He would definitely be a starter on other teams. Yes, I would say him and Dermott are similar players if Riikola isn’t better. His analytics are great. And look at stats and term them out to 82 games.
Nov 26, 2020 at 4:04
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Quoting: mhockey91
He plays 1C in Zona and has a career high of 38 points. He’s a low end 2C high end 3C

My bad, I had no idea his point totals were that low.

Quoting: PGHBOB69
Rust is a point per game player. Look at his stats. He did it last year.

And Riikola came over from Russia. Same as Lehtonen. Was the captain of his team. Was a highly touted FA signing. It takes long for defensemen longer to adjust to the NHL I’ve size and the way more physical play. Some whole game in the KHL go without 1 penalty. And he put up good stats in limited games so far. Not limited minutes. He averaged 16 minutes a game. He slides into the 2nd pairing or the 3rd pairing. He plays both LHD and RHD both equally as well. The Pens rewarded him this off season with his 1.1M contract. Like I said, they trust him in the 2nd pairing. He would definitely be a starter on other teams. Yes, I would say him and Dermott are similar players if Riikola isn’t better. His analytics are great. And look at stats and term them out to 82 games.


Ok, he is a point a game player, my bad.
That's cool, with Riikola. I guess he sounds fairly similar to Dermott, but I still think Dermott is better, also Dermott is younger and has more potential.
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Nov 26, 2020 at 4:09
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Quoting: Saskleaf
My bad, I had no idea his point totals were that low.



Ok, he is a point a game player, my bad.
That's cool, with Riikola. I guess he sounds fairly similar to Dermott, but I still think Dermott is better, also Dermott is younger and has more potential.



Yeah I think his numbers surprise a lot of people. He should be in the 50-60s+ but he just hasn’t done it yet.

And I agree dermott > Riikola
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Nov 26, 2020 at 4:15
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Edited Nov 26, 2020 at 4:20
Quoting: Saskleaf
My bad, I had no idea his point totals were that low.





Yes, I mean we’ll see more about Rust this year too. But if you traded him now, his value would be a PPG player. B/c he’s coming off a season in which he was. It doesn’t matter it was a shortened season. He still did it. And it’s like being an all-star. Or scoring 20 goals. Once u do it, u are always gonna be a 20 goal scorer, or an all-star player. You can’t take that away from them. It’s no longer potential. A potential all-star. Or potential 20 goal scorer. Once they did it, they proved it, they proved they can do it, they can can repeat it. If he does it again this year or even close, his value will be even higher.

And yes, Dermott probably has more Potential. Riikola came over at 25 as a FA agent signing. Just like Lehtonen this year for the leafs. He’s had a good 2 years though. Like I said, in limited games. But it’s not easy for European defenders to adjust to the smaller Ice rink. And all the board work. In Russian/European hockey, and the bigger ice and all the space, they don’t have to use the boards as much, and don’t. They Don’t use them 1/10 as much as we do in the NHL. And their game is all about speed(Cause the bigger ice rink), and the NHL is way more physical. It a lot harder for defenders to adjust. So he’s done pretty well. Dermott does have more potential though, being younger, a former 2nd round pick, and 2 descent years too. He’s underlying stats arnt great though. But the Leafs D was bad in general last year. We’ll really see this year when he gets his shot at a full-time spot!!
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