Leafs don’t have the cap space for that even half retained, if it’s at the deadline they might do it if they think dermott is gone to Seattle.

change dermott to holl and sure

What if it's Savard and a fifth for Holl and Abramov?

nah, ill stick with Holl

idk cuz players like abramov who will have to step in on cheap contracts in the foreseeable future will be rlly valuable to the leafs. not sure if giving up a possibly good quality cheap option for a the future and a decent defence for a rental is the right move cuz I cant see the leafs going all the way yet cuz they haven't proven anything

They pass. It's 1 year of Savard and giving up their best skating d-man and a top 5 organization prospect doesn't make sense.

If Leafs were in a position to really push for a cup I'd consider it but they havn't been close so this is a type of deal thats a season or two too soon at the very least.

Add in Nylander and we accept

And if their GM continues doing what these fans think. It’s why the leafs will never win a SC again. The chances of Abramov or Abruzzese being as good as Savard are probably under 10%. And Even Dermott.

Dermott will be gone next year from the expansion draft most likely. With nothing in return. And Abramov and Abruzzese chances of ended up like Bracco are higher than them playing significant minutes and years for the Leafs.

If you can get Savard for 2.5M for this year for Abruzzese and Dermott. Yes, absolutely!!

Okay Mr GM Genius.. and where does Savard play? Leafs defence is already set.
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Dermott/Bogosian
Lehtonen - Liljegren
Marincin

That's 10 NHL capable d-man. Savard would fight with Bogosian for ice time. & at the cost of getting Bogosian for nothing or having to give up Dermott, plus a top prospect and a pick for less than 1 year of a guy that MIGHT play bottom pairing minutes? .. yeah if Dubas doesn't get Savard surely they'll never be a cup. They're way better off without him.

And how is Dermott gone in the expansion draft exactly? Smart move is to protect 8-1. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Dermott, and Campbell.. worst case possible Toronto loses Holl (can be replaced by Liljegren + gain $2M in cap space) or Kerfoot (can be replaced by Robertson + gain $3.5M in cap space)

So please, tell me again how this idea benefits the Leafs. If Dubas listened to people like you he'd be outta a job faster than he can blink.

Give your head a shake already.

But Holl is carried by Muzzin? I just love that rhetoric, if these are the results, who cares? Muzzin carried Holl to becoming a terrific shutdown defender, okay great! We have a terrific shutdown defender for 2 million a year. That has immense value.

Except Savard doesn't get them over the hump, Holl was as effective if not more so in the shutdown role with Muzzin and Dermott is way better than people give him credit for. He's only 23 and has already showed a lot. https://www.tsn.ca/travis-dermott-deserves-a-longer-look-on-toronto-maple-leafs-blueline-1.1570904

Neither Liljegreen or Sandin or Lehtonen have proved NHL capable yet. Good luck man!! Keep all your draft picks and “C”, “C+ prospects and keep getting knocked out in the 1st round of the play-offs!! Anyone will tell u, u can never have enough D. See Leafs being 28th in goals allowed last year!!

lol. Imagine calling Sandin and Liljegren "C" or "C+" prospects.. sorry. Can't take anything you say seriously after that 😂

Lol..Leafs fans can’t read either..lol..“C”, “C+” prospects being Abruzzese and Abramov.

Good luck with Holl as a top 4 D. He’ll be this years Ceci’s or Zaitsev for the Leafs. They will blame him for being 28th in goals allowed again. Just like last year was all Ceci’s fault..lol. Holl will regress and every leafs fan will try to be dump at the deadline on ACGM.

That is just a thoughtless response. Holl was effective and saying he was so is just stating a fact. No one is calling him a saviour. Just stating the reality that he was very good alongside Muzzin. And for 2 million that is terrific value. Calling him Ceci is just stupid. Ceci was asked to play next to Rielly and drove his season into the ground.

A thoughtless response to his thoughtless response.

Yes, he played well last year with Muzzin. We’ll see if he plays similar or improves. I doubt it. You want to bet your season on Holl being a capable top 4 defender. I wouldn’t. And again, Lethonen, Sandin and Liljregren have not proven to be NHL capable yet either.

Holl has looked good every time he's played for the past 3 seasons, Babs never gave him a chance. Finally he got a chance and earned top 4 minutes and was successful. Could he flop? Maybe, but he could be as good as last year along Muzzin and it's doubtful the Leafs will have as many injuries as last year. So in all likelihood, Holl will once again do great with Muzzin. And that is definitely great. Brodie will hopefully help Rielly once again join the Norris conversation and then the bottom pair will be interesting. Either way TO is going to be much better than last season.

3 seasons?? 80 games??

He never got a chance?? or never earned a chance or won a roster spot. There’s a difference.

He was called up for 2 games and scored 2 goals and looked good and was sent down. Which is fine for that season. Then the next year he looked great at camp and wasn't given a chance by Babs who glued him to the press box because Babs has his favorites. He played Marincin over Holl all the time and started last season the same way until he decided Sandin needed to get sent down and then Holl finally got a longer look and proved he was good. Babs was the single biggest reason he wasn't at least 3rd pair 2 seasons ago. Holl has been good. And it's completely reasonable to expect a similar season. I am not predicting he's going to somehow become a top defenceman in the league. Just the same as last year. Which was very good.