Matthews is a generation goal scoring talent whereas Draisaitl is only good cuz of McDavid

Ez MAtthews for me and i may be bias but i'm sure there are plenty of non-bias people that agree

Matthews is the better player imo, by Draisaitl is 3M cheaper so I'll take Draisaitl

I watch alot of Leafs and Oliers games and I am just going say these things.
1) Either center would be a huge upgrade for any team as both are top 5 offensively in the league
2) Matthews plays a much more compete 200 foot game compared to Draisaitl
3) If you were going off their caps, most people would take Draisaitl as 3 plus million dollars different could help build a team

Overall, I would take Matthews (barely) because scoring in this league is so hard, but it would take me days to finally take Matthews over Draisaitl

I’m going Matthews as I like his overall game better but it’s close.


Draisaitl is only good because McDavid?

Matthews is probably the better player overall, but Draisaitl is pretty damn close. It's the contract that kind of bridges that gap. Drai at an $8.5M cap hit for the next four seasons is amazing value. Matthews at $11.640 for the next three years is probably true value for Matthews cap-wise, but that difference in money can make a lot of difference for acquiring better depth players.

that shocked me a bit too... hahah, i mean if you could do a deep dive i bet most of the goals with mcdavid and draisaitl on the score sheet are on the powerplay.

Hahaha! That’s like every leaf fans out there say. “Draisaitl is only good because of McDavid”. Well clearly you haven’t watched him play at all. Every player would be better if they had McDavid on their team! That’s just funny.

Completely agree, its just like the same argument with Matthews and Marner.
Draisaitl is an amazing player on his own but is even better playing with Mcdavid. Same goes with Matthews playing alone, and then with Marner

Exactly! I am happy that you are not one of those leaf fans that think the same as some. It’s annoying honestly, but when I see that, I feel like the people are just jealous that they don’t have that player.

Draisaitl has played with Yamamoto who has been pretty bad he cant shoot and a revolving cast on LW most of the time. its only been about 16 Games that mcdavid and drai have been together this season. Drai would be like if marner and Mathews had a baby that can pass and shoot. He's by far the better player.

Wrong...Draisaitl is still VERY good without McDavid, as proved last year

It's not just Leafs fans, its any fan jealous of a player. You're telling me I wouldn't want Dry on my team? Of course I would!

I am a pure Draisaitl hater, that is why i said he is only good cuzz of McDavid, and I mean i'm not wrong (at least in my opinion)

Draisaitl it is for me. Both very talented players but with Draisaitl's contacts its not even close.

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/leon-draisaitl-stats-without-connor-mcdavid

point per game without mcdavid, when mcdavid goes down in edmonton the roster is terrifyingly bad, even worse last year when mcdavid was hurt. you can have your opinion, dont be blinded by how much you hate though

That’s fair. I just mainly see it from leaf fans.

Why do you hate Draisaitl? Is it because you are jealous?

Through 52 games this season Draisaitl has 77 points (28G, 49A). Now let's break that down a bit more:

47 EV strength points - 27 of them McDavid has factored in on (57%)
30 powerplay points - 23 of them McDavid has factored in on (76%)
77 total points - 60 of them McDavid has factored in on (78%)


Sorry, but Draisaitl isn't great without McDavid this year.

Let's compare to make the logical decision here!

Player A:
xGF - 31.1
xGA - 13.5
corsiFor - 53.9%
FenwickFor - 55%
oZS - 57.4%
shooting % - 19%
takeaways/giveaways - 45/50
hits - 55
blocked shots - 46
faceoff % - 51.4%


Player B:
xGF - 15.9
xGA - 25.9
corsiFor - 51.9%
FenwickFor - 52.1%
oZS - 54.7%
shooting % - 18.2
takeaways/giveaways - 52/66
hits - 33
blocked shots - 12
faceoff % - 55.6%


So Player A leads in 8 of 11 categories here. Player B leads in 3 of 11 categories here. Which player would you rather have?


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Player A: Auston Matthews
Player B: Leon Draisaitl


This should really put an end to this conversation as to who's better. It's really not even close.

crazy that all that jargon still leads to draisaitl outscoring matthews by 75 points in the last 3 seasons. give draisaitl a full season with a guy like marner who plays elite defense and i think you see a far better draisaitl

Draisaitl only out scores Matthews because he plays with McDavid. As comment #18 says, McDavid has factored into 78% of Draisaitl's total points. But I bet if you put Matthews with McDavid, he out scores Draisaitl but much more than that.

Also, advanced stats are mostly isolated to the player. Matthews playing with Marner wouldn't have an effect on that. But funny how Matthews offensive underlying numbers are still better than Draisaitl's despite not playing with McDavid 🤔

hockey is the most random and luck based major sport on the planet, you trying to isolate players and base metrics on that is ridiculous. it makes you sound like someone who learned about hockey from a video game but never put a skate on in your life.

1. I work in the scouting industry, so I know what I'm doing when I evaluate players.
2. I'm not the only one who uses analytics are part of their evaluation.

I'm sorry it doesn't support your opinion, but Matthews is the clear better player.

1. people have paid to watch me play, i scouted the ajhl for years and worked in the rockets front office, its not a hard position to attain and no one is impressed, i can confidently say i forgot more about the game than you know
2. so did advanced stats poster boy john chayka, looks like youre on a good trajectory. theres a reason so many more teams are hiring former players for the top position in organizations

and thats also your opinion.

Lol. I wasn't trying to impress at all. Just saying that I know how it works because EI literally do it for a living. Congrats. You scouted a junior A league, nice trying to flex. I'm an amateur scout for Hockey Canada. I watch a heck of a lot more hockey than you ever did. But you saying "i can confidently say i forgot more about the game than you know" shows how completely arrogant you are. I'd trust my opinion, the people I work with, and facts over your opinion any day. You DID scout. I DO scout right now. Things change all the time. & you say scouting jobs aren't hard to find and anyone can get them yet I bet you never came close to anything with Hockey Canada.

Sorry for the harsh comment, but your arrogance isn't needed. If that's the way you're gonna interact, please don't chat with me.

Matthews > Draisaitl... it's really not he's to see. But I can see why you're not a scout anymore now.