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Created by: Wqrrior
Initial Creation Date: May 28, 2021
Published: May 28 at 9:03
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Garland, Conor6$5,750,000
Carlo, Brandon8$5,250,000
Ritchie, Nick3$2,950,000
Frederic, Trent2$850,000
Senyshyn, Zach2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor6$6,875,000
Krejci, David1$4,000,000
Rask, Tuukka1$6,000,000
Vatanen, Sami1$1,300,000
Trades
BOS
  1. Garland, Conor [RFA Rights]
ARI
  1. Studnicka, Jack
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
BOS
    SEA
    1. Moore, John
    2. Kase, Ondrej [RFA Rights]
    3. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    TOR
    2022
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    2023
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    BOS
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$79,554,841$1,956,507$625,000$1,945,159
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BOS
    Marchand, Brad
    $6,125,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BOS
    Bergeron, Patrice
    $6,875,000
    C
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Pastrnak, David
    $6,666,667
    RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Hall, Taylor
    $6,875,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BOS
    Krejci, David
    $4,000,000
    C
    UFA
    Garland, Conor
    $5,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    BOS
    Ritchie, Nick
    $2,950,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Coyle, Charlie
    $5,250,000
    C, RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
    BOS
    Smith, Craig
    $3,100,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    BOS
    Frederic, Trent
    $850,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BOS
    Lazar, Curtis
    $800,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    BOS
    Wagner, Chris
    $1,350,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BOS
    Lauzon, Jérémy
    $850,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    McAvoy, Charlie
    $4,900,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Rask, Tuukka
    $6,000,000
    G
    UFA
    BOS
    Grzelcyk, Matt
    $3,687,500
    LD
    UFA - 3
    BOS
    Carlo, Brandon
    $5,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
    BOS
    Swayman, Jeremy
    $925,000
    G
    RFA - 2
    BOS
    Zboril, Jakub
    $725,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Vatanen, Sami
    $1,300,000
    LD/RD
    UFA
    BOS
    Vaakanainen, Urho
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Clifton, Connor
    $1,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BOS
    Kuhlman, Karson
    $725,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Senyshyn, Zach
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA

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    May 28 at 9:36
    #1
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    That’s a massive overpayment for a guy that has put up the same per 82 game avg numbers as Debrusk. And it took a horrible season from Debrusk to even it out.
    May 28 at 9:44
    #2
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    That’s a massive overpayment for a guy that has put up the same per 82 game avg numbers as Debrusk. And it took a horrible season from Debrusk to even it out.


    Bruins fans never want to pay the price for anything on this website. Literally always think pennies on the dollar is sufficient to get big names.

    What type of help does garland get? Like, he's in a notoriously defensive system and has not much line support at all. Your first is late rounded in a weak draft, Debrusk doesn't carry the value bruins fans assign to him, and Studnicka isn't a top prospect any more. This is tilted more towards you guys than the Yotes.
    May 28 at 9:54
    #3
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Bruins fans never want to pay the price for anything on this website. Literally always think pennies on the dollar is sufficient to get big names.

    What type of help does garland get? Like, he's in a notoriously defensive system and has not much line support at all. Your first is late rounded in a weak draft, Debrusk doesn't carry the value bruins fans assign to him, and Studnicka isn't a top prospect any more. This is tilted more towards you guys than the Yotes.


    Going into this year nobody would have traded Debrusk straight up for Garland let alone add two more pieces.

    Garland does not have that kind of value. He can pull a 1st and solid prospect.

    Debrusk put up better numbers his 1st 3 years and nobody would have given that kind of package for him. Before the slump.
    May 28 at 9:57
    #4
    GM CRIME DAWG
    Joined: Mar 2019
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Bruins fans never want to pay the price for anything on this website. Literally always think pennies on the dollar is sufficient to get big names.

    What type of help does garland get? Like, he's in a notoriously defensive system and has not much line support at all. Your first is late rounded in a weak draft, Debrusk doesn't carry the value bruins fans assign to him, and Studnicka isn't a top prospect any more. This is tilted more towards you guys than the Yotes.


    You're trade is effectively "3-firsts" for Garland.
    BC bud is extra special at this time of the year...
    May 29 at 12:57
    #5
    Thread Starter
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    Quoting: McGruff
    You're trade is effectively "3-firsts" for Garland.
    BC bud is extra special at this time of the year...


    I do not agree that Studnicka is worth a first. He was drafted a 2nd, and while yes he worked his way up the prospect chain last year, was highly underwhelming this year in the NHL, and seemingly off the stats carried that over to the AHL. With no clear spot on the NHL roster asides from a bottom six role, it's not like he will have a chance to regain himself.
    Although you wouldn't trade him laterally for a 2nd, that is what I would argue his value is. If you wish to remove him and replace him with a 2nd, I am open to that.

    Debrusk is a moderately similar situation to Sam Bennett. He will be 25 when the season starts and, while, like Bennett had an nice start to his career, has fallen off considerably since then. Since he isn't a center, which was a major boost to Bennet's value (also that it was a consensus FLA overpay), I would say they share the same value. Maybe a late first in pure value.

    Two late firsts and a late 2nd for a legitimate top 6 piece who should thrive once being released from a defensive system? I don't understand how you guys think this is so ripe. Garland has more depth to his game than Debrusk by a mile and is on an upward path rather than a downward one.
    May 29 at 3:18
    #6
    Dekesaladekes
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    I do not agree that Studnicka is worth a first. He was drafted a 2nd, and while yes he worked his way up the prospect chain last year, was highly underwhelming this year in the NHL, and seemingly off the stats carried that over to the AHL. With no clear spot on the NHL roster asides from a bottom six role, it's not like he will have a chance to regain himself.
    Although you wouldn't trade him laterally for a 2nd, that is what I would argue his value is. If you wish to remove him and replace him with a 2nd, I am open to that.

    Debrusk is a moderately similar situation to Sam Bennett. He will be 25 when the season starts and, while, like Bennett had an nice start to his career, has fallen off considerably since then. Since he isn't a center, which was a major boost to Bennet's value (also that it was a consensus FLA overpay), I would say they share the same value. Maybe a late first in pure value.

    Two late firsts and a late 2nd for a legitimate top 6 piece who should thrive once being released from a defensive system? I don't understand how you guys think this is so ripe. Garland has more depth to his game than Debrusk by a mile and is on an upward path rather than a downward one.


    debrusk and stud have one bad year and their value declines dramatically? i dont think so lol debrusk is all way more well rounded then garland, debrusk can play powerplay and penalty kill, hes fast, likes to get in the corners and fight for the puck, he can be physical, i dont see how debrusk doesnt have depth to his game? garland is a pure scorer thats it, not to mention hes 5'10 and 165lbs the last thing the bruins need is another small speedy winger. I'll pass give studnicka a full season in the nhl which he will most likely get on that third line next season with debrusk and coyle then we will talk again. As for debrusk he has regained his form so far this playoffs.
    May 29 at 6:25
    #7
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    Why does SEA do that?

    Moore would be like a #8 on their roster and Kase has a $2.6 million QO (which he's not getting). The 3rd doesn't do my for SEA considering they'll have guys like Ritchie, Lauzon, Zboril to choose from.

    Btw the Bruins current top 6 is already lethal and Garland is a RW version of JDB, so I don't see how this makes Boston better.
    May 29 at 9:15
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    Edited May 29 at 9:53
    Quoting: Wqrrior
    I do not agree that Studnicka is worth a first. He was drafted a 2nd, and while yes he worked his way up the prospect chain last year, was highly underwhelming this year in the NHL, and seemingly off the stats carried that over to the AHL. With no clear spot on the NHL roster asides from a bottom six role, it's not like he will have a chance to regain himself.
    Although you wouldn't trade him laterally for a 2nd, that is what I would argue his value is. If you wish to remove him and replace him with a 2nd, I am open to that.

    Debrusk is a moderately similar situation to Sam Bennett. He will be 25 when the season starts and, while, like Bennett had an nice start to his career, has fallen off considerably since then. Since he isn't a center, which was a major boost to Bennet's value (also that it was a consensus FLA overpay), I would say they share the same value. Maybe a late first in pure value.

    Two late firsts and a late 2nd for a legitimate top 6 piece who should thrive once being released from a defensive system? I don't understand how you guys think this is so ripe. Garland has more depth to his game than Debrusk by a mile and is on an upward path rather than a downward one.



    Well we don’t agree with your assesment of Debrusk, Studnicka, or Garland. That’s why. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    As i said Debrusk was better his first 3 seasons than Garland was in his. He was terrible this year. He also had 2 injuries to start the year, 2 positive Covid tests, battled depression and when he not surprisingly struggled during all that, was demoted, thrown all over the lineup and put on RW a lot where he has always struggled. When he bounces back, he puts up the same if not better stats than Garland. And i certainly don’t remember Bennet averaging 25 goals per 82g to start his career either.

    Studnicka, i agree, is not worth a 1st at this point, but we have no idea what he can be at the pro level at this point either as he has not been given the opportunity. I still think his ceiling is low end 2 high end 3.

    I don’t agree Garland, a 45 point FW, has that kind of trade value. You would not pay that for a David Perron, Reilly Smith, Tyler Toffoli type of player. It’s shiny new toy syndrome.

    Now from Zona’s standpoint, they would not want Debrusk anyway. The entire reason Garland was mentioned as a trade candidate is they are trying to cut payroll and don’t want to give him his raise next year which should be about what Debrusk makes.

    Take out Debrusk. 1st/Studnicka you are close to a FMV move that both teams would consider. But with Bergy and DK batting father time, trading away center prospects is not in Boston's best interest.
    May 29 at 9:48
    #9
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Bruins fans never want to pay the price for anything on this website. Literally always think pennies on the dollar is sufficient to get big names.

    What type of help does garland get? Like, he's in a notoriously defensive system and has not much line support at all. Your first is late rounded in a weak draft, Debrusk doesn't carry the value bruins fans assign to him, and Studnicka isn't a top prospect any more. This is tilted more towards you guys than the Yotes.


    It's easy to look at DeBrusk's numbers this season and call him a bottom-six player. However, I did a little "research" if you want to call it that, and watched a couple Bruins games while keeping track of which players did the little things (winning battles along the boards, breaking up passes, keeping plays alive, etc.) the best, and what I found was that Jake DeBrusk was always near or on top of the list. He's also off to a great start to the postseason, which further elevates his value.
    May 29 at 9:56
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Bruins fans never want to pay the price for anything on this website. Literally always think pennies on the dollar is sufficient to get big names.

    What type of help does garland get? Like, he's in a notoriously defensive system and has not much line support at all. Your first is late rounded in a weak draft, Debrusk doesn't carry the value bruins fans assign to him, and Studnicka isn't a top prospect any more. This is tilted more towards you guys than the Yotes.


    I agree with you. A lot of them don’t. That said, I kind of agree with him for a couple reasons. The first is that garland is kind of just getting out of the proof of concept stage. I would be worried you pay up for the guy, and he regresses to the mean. The second is, it’s just not a position you need. If you’re going to give up that kind of package, go after a high end top pair LD after the expansion
    May 29 at 2:43
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    There's no way Krejci stays for $4M for 1 year. A ton of other teams would snap him up at that price. He'll make at least 5 or more and minimum 2 or more years.
    May 29 at 5:50
    #12
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    Quoting: Krahntinuum
    There's no way Krejci stays for $4M for 1 year. A ton of other teams would snap him up at that price. He'll make at least 5 or more and minimum 2 or more years.


    He does not want to play for anyone else. And his next contract, if there is one, is a 35+. He won’t get more than 2 years.
    May 29 at 8:46
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    He does not want to play for anyone else. And his next contract, if there is one, is a 35+. He won’t get more than 2 years.


    He won't take $4M. Not a chance. $5M x 2 maybe. Anything less and he'll change his mind about playing somewhere else. He could get $6 x 2 or even 3 yrs easily to play elsewhere.
     
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