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Jun. 7, 2021 at 1:19 p.m.
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if CJ comment was legit he predicts

Toronto during this offseason will acquire a popular player who:

A) Did not play in the 2021 NHL Playoffs
B) Plays for an American team
C) And has multiple years left on their deal

So who is it gonna be


It's gonna be DVORAK old London marner teammate!
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
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Tronna?


Toronto.
Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:02 p.m.
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It's gonna be DVORAK old London marner teammate!


If we look at forwards who meet the criteria 3 names come up

1. Labanc
2. Konecney
3. Dvorak

there are others like (Schmaltz, Atkinson, Bjorkstrand but dont see them being moved)

But it could be a Dman or Goaltender

we will be getting more hints later this month and in July so rn its anyone's guess
Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.
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I'd like Miles Wood


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I don't see the Devils trading Wood unless they're getting a big return back


marner to the devils????
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:18 p.m.
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Do you guys believe Alec Martinez would be a good fit in Winnipeg?

I personally believe a top pairing of Morrissey-Martinez would be a very strong one
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:20 p.m.
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Am I the only one that believes ARI lacks a d-man?

IMO the best fit for them would be Brendon Montour.

I think there's some untapped offensive potential there and IMO he'd be an amazing partner for Chychrun.
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.
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Do you guys believe Alec Martinez would be a good fit in Winnipeg?

I personally believe a top pairing of Morrissey-Martinez would be a very strong one


idk if he'd be comfortable playing on the right, or if he's still gonna have the durability to play top pair minutes since he's inching closer to 35
Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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Do you guys believe Alec Martinez would be a good fit in Winnipeg?

I personally believe a top pairing of Morrissey-Martinez would be a very strong one


I like the thought of that, but I like Seth Jones for them even better. If they can manage to get both Martinez and Jones though, then they'll be one of the best teams in the league with a complete d core, forward group, and a top goaltender.
Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.
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Here's the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs:

They are a top heavy team but two of these players clearly have an issue with the playoffs. Marner's been awful for 15 ish playoff games now and Matthews has struggled big time for quite some time as well. So, when these guys don't produce, the depth isn't good enough to carry the team. Engvall is a complete non factor offensively speaking, Mikheyev is 2/3 defense, Thornton isn't good anymore, Simmonds has been below average ever since he came back from his injury, Foligno was injured and Kerfoot and Spezza can only do so much by themselves.

The depth needs to improve, and the fact is that there is no way to do that that doesn't involve moving at least one of MM or AM.

Cause one of them needs to go. See, a word that fits well here is ACCOUNTABILITY. It's time the Leafs show that. If they don't do anything with the two players mentioned above, then the message they'll be sending as an organization is «we don't care when our so called stars don't show up, they can do whatever they want and we won't do anything to address the issues presented to us» and this is the WORST.

It's clear both have no heart, we would've seen it by now and the thing is, you have heart or you don't. You can't learn it.

Would NJ be interested in a Wood+Mercer+pick(s) package for Marner?
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
idk if he'd be comfortable playing on the right, or if he's still gonna have the durability to play top pair minutes since he's inching closer to 35


He's played the right before
Jun. 7, 2021 at 3:11 p.m.
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Here's the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs:

They are a top heavy team but two of these players clearly have an issue with the playoffs. Marner's been awful for 15 ish playoff games now and Matthews has struggled big time for quite some time as well. So, when these guys don't produce, the depth isn't good enough to carry the team. Engvall is a complete non factor offensively speaking, Mikheyev is 2/3 defense, Thornton isn't good anymore, Simmonds has been below average ever since he came back from his injury, Foligno was injured and Kerfoot and Spezza can only do so much by themselves.

The depth needs to improve, and the fact is that there is no way to do that that doesn't involve moving at least one of MM or AM.

Cause one of them needs to go. See, a word that fits well here is ACCOUNTABILITY. It's time the Leafs show that. If they don't do anything with the two players mentioned above, then the message they'll be sending as an organization is «we don't care when our so called stars don't show up, they can do whatever they want and we won't do anything to address the issues presented to us» and this is the WORST.

It's clear both have no heart, we would've seen it by now and the thing is, you have heart or you don't. You can't learn it.

Would NJ be interested in a Wood+Mercer+pick(s) package for Marner?


I actually think the problem is quite simple

When Jake Muzzin goes down this team is ****ed

Dubas priority should be getting another Dman who is basically another Muzzin
Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
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If your team only had picks what picks would you use to get number one? 2-31, 3-25, 4-20, 5-15, 6-12, 7/8? What are combinations of picks that you believe could get you number one. Also try and get rid of bias in terms of players available make sense?
Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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If your team only had picks what picks would you use to get number one? 2-31, 3-25, 4-20, 5-15, 6-12, 7/8? What are combinations of picks that you believe could get you number one. Also try and get rid of bias in terms of players available make sense?


2 and 3
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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2 and 3


Interesting...would 2-8 get me1 if u had it?
Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:33 p.m.
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Interesting...would 2-8 get me1 if u had it?


Probably i just feel like 1 your guaranteed to get your guy and pick 1 has exponential value technically
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:40 p.m.
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Probably i just feel like 1 your guaranteed to get your guy and pick 1 has exponential value technically


True, if you where to give point values I'd estimate something like this
1-10, (Each Picks Range can fluctuate) one could got up or down 1000 depending on the draft. 6000 in a Shane wright draft 4000 in this year.
5000
4000
3000
2500
2250
2000
1750
1500
1250
1000
Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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This is the NFL value chart
Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
This is the NFL value chart
Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2


Pick and then value by round, kind of jumbled cause we can't use charts.
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 7:50 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Here's the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs:

They are a top heavy team but two of these players clearly have an issue with the playoffs. Marner's been awful for 15 ish playoff games now and Matthews has struggled big time for quite some time as well. So, when these guys don't produce, the depth isn't good enough to carry the team. Engvall is a complete non factor offensively speaking, Mikheyev is 2/3 defense, Thornton isn't good anymore, Simmonds has been below average ever since he came back from his injury, Foligno was injured and Kerfoot and Spezza can only do so much by themselves.

The depth needs to improve, and the fact is that there is no way to do that that doesn't involve moving at least one of MM or AM.

Cause one of them needs to go. See, a word that fits well here is ACCOUNTABILITY. It's time the Leafs show that. If they don't do anything with the two players mentioned above, then the message they'll be sending as an organization is «we don't care when our so called stars don't show up, they can do whatever they want and we won't do anything to address the issues presented to us» and this is the WORST.

It's clear both have no heart, we would've seen it by now and the thing is, you have heart or you don't. You can't learn it.

Would NJ be interested in a Wood+Mercer+pick(s) package for Marner?


I'm leaning towards a lot of problems with the team in the playoffs being resolved via coaching staff. I think Keefe needs to be more assertive and his assistants need to be replaced with more direct and experienced coaches. Don't get me wrong, I like Keefe, but these playoffs showed he trusts the top guys too much and doesn't want to be hard on him.

This is one of the best rosters the franchise has never had and it doesn't get there without the four forwards. A lot of teams would be in trouble of one of their top players was taken out after 10 minutes and the other two took a nap, this isn't a problem unique to Toronto. Rearrange the roster anyway you like the but the problems need to be addressed within the organization.
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Jun. 7, 2021 at 8:04 p.m.
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I'm leaning towards a lot of problems with the team in the playoffs being resolved via coaching staff. I think Keefe needs to be more assertive and his assistants need to be replaced with more direct and experienced coaches. Don't get me wrong, I like Keefe, but these playoffs showed he trusts the top guys too much and doesn't want to be hard on him.

This is one of the best rosters the franchise has never had and it doesn't get there without the four forwards. A lot of teams would be in trouble of one of their top players was taken out after 10 minutes and the other two took a nap, this isn't a problem unique to Toronto. Rearrange the roster anyway you like the but the problems need to be addressed within the organization.


Keefe needs to realize that people are able to defend you if you tell them what your going to do.
Jun. 7, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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I'm leaning towards a lot of problems with the team in the playoffs being resolved via coaching staff. I think Keefe needs to be more assertive and his assistants need to be replaced with more direct and experienced coaches. Don't get me wrong, I like Keefe, but these playoffs showed he trusts the top guys too much and doesn't want to be hard on him.

This is one of the best rosters the franchise has never had and it doesn't get there without the four forwards. A lot of teams would be in trouble of one of their top players was taken out after 10 minutes and the other two took a nap, this isn't a problem unique to Toronto. Rearrange the roster anyway you like the but the problems need to be addressed within the organization.


That «I'm not going to hide players from anyone» is so dumb for the simple reason that JT was injured. If he were there, you could've matched his line with Danault's
Jun. 8, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.
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Quoting: mondo
I'm leaning towards a lot of problems with the team in the playoffs being resolved via coaching staff. I think Keefe needs to be more assertive and his assistants need to be replaced with more direct and experienced coaches. Don't get me wrong, I like Keefe, but these playoffs showed he trusts the top guys too much and doesn't want to be hard on him.

This is one of the best rosters the franchise has never had and it doesn't get there without the four forwards. A lot of teams would be in trouble of one of their top players was taken out after 10 minutes and the other two took a nap, this isn't a problem unique to Toronto. Rearrange the roster anyway you like the but the problems need to be addressed within the organization.


I think honestly Keefe was at a crossroad. Like if it wasnt for both fumbles in OT who knows how the series would have went. Maybe we would be in the semi-finals by now who knows. I think the special teams and staff will do much better for next season. As they know their jobs be on the line.

Malhotra for the first 20 games I thought did an excellent job. Leafs pp was 40% and dominating. Then it fell apart and despite trying every combination nothing was working. Now I dont blame him for that I blame the players as often the players would go (PASS PASS PASS) when they should have been shooting. Old habits really do seem to not die off quick. Morgan Rielly was also a big part in this slump as man did he struggle.

Dave Hakstol I think is doing alright. Leafs PK has had its ups and downs but its mainly who we got on the PK that was causing issues. Or just occasional sloppy play. If we can get a proper defensive 3c who can PK and most importantly win defensive zone faceoffs were set

goalie coach and that other assistant coach is fine.

With training camp being longer and with pre-season games coaching staff can see what works and what does not work and make the necessary changes.

As lets be real

if Nylander-JT-Matthews-Marner-Rielly are not scoring on a pp more than 50% of the time something is wrong
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Jun. 8, 2021 at 5:59 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
if CJ comment was legit he predicts

Toronto during this offseason will acquire a popular player who:

A) Did not play in the 2021 NHL Playoffs
B) Plays for an American team
C) And has multiple years left on their deal

So who is it gonna be


Doesn't matter as long as **** overpays like he usually does
Jun. 8, 2021 at 6:00 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Do you guys believe Alec Martinez would be a good fit in Winnipeg?

I personally believe a top pairing of Morrissey-Martinez would be a very strong one


It would be a good fit, but I don't like Martinez's age for Winnipeg. They need someone a bit younger than Martinez to fit into the teams current core.
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Jun. 8, 2021 at 6:04 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Here's the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs:

They are a top heavy team but two of these players clearly have an issue with the playoffs. Marner's been awful for 15 ish playoff games now and Matthews has struggled big time for quite some time as well. So, when these guys don't produce, the depth isn't good enough to carry the team. Engvall is a complete non factor offensively speaking, Mikheyev is 2/3 defense, Thornton isn't good anymore, Simmonds has been below average ever since he came back from his injury, Foligno was injured and Kerfoot and Spezza can only do so much by themselves.

The depth needs to improve, and the fact is that there is no way to do that that doesn't involve moving at least one of MM or AM.

Cause one of them needs to go. See, a word that fits well here is ACCOUNTABILITY. It's time the Leafs show that. If they don't do anything with the two players mentioned above, then the message they'll be sending as an organization is «we don't care when our so called stars don't show up, they can do whatever they want and we won't do anything to address the issues presented to us» and this is the WORST.

It's clear both have no heart, we would've seen it by now and the thing is, you have heart or you don't. You can't learn it.

Would NJ be interested in a Wood+Mercer+pick(s) package for Marner?


I think you're misunderstanding the problem. Other teams know how to shut down Matthews + Marner and their depth isn't strong enough to cover up for it. (Montreal also shut down Winnipeg's top line, it's not a coincidence). But yeah, Dubas has no idea how to actually build a team. He's trying to slap players together and hoping it sticks.

Back to Marner + Matthews, you either blame them or Keefe, Keefe simply got outcoached in the first round. He showed no attempt at line matching and got beat everywhere because of it.
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