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Dach and Tkachukee Cheese

Created by: jimmieheaters
Initial Creation Date: Jun 21, 2021
Published: Jun 21 at 11:53
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dahlin, Rasmus2$6,000,000
Mittelstadt, Casey2$2,500,000
Asplund, Rasmus2$1,500,000
Borgen, William2$1,500,000
Jokiharju, Henri2$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
McCabe, Jake2$3,000,000
Ullmark, Linus2$4,250,000
Mrázek, Petr2$3,250,000
Martinez, Alec3$4,500,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Wood, Miles
NJD
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
    SEA
    1. Miller, Colin
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (FLA)
    BUF
    1. Boqvist, Adam
    2. Dach, Kirby
    3. De Haan, Calvin
    4. 2021 1st round pick (CHI)
    CHI
    1. Eichel, Jack
    2. Bjork, Anders
    BUF
    1. Tkachuk, Matthew
    CGY
    1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
    2. Pilut, Lawrence [Reserve List]
    3. Thompson, Tage
    BUF
    1. Compher, J.T.
    2. Graves, Ryan
    COL
    1. Laaksonen, Oskari
    2. 2021 1st round pick (CHI)
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BUF
    BUF
    BOS
    MTL
    BUF
    MTL
    BUF
    COL
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$77,785,834$0$4,200,000$3,714,166
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    $7,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Dach, Kirby
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    $3,050,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    $9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    $894,167
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    $1,500,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $2,500,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    COL
    Compher, J.T.
    $3,500,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $2,750,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $2,200,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Martinez, Alec
    $4,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $6,000,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    $4,250,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    COL
    Graves, Ryan
    $3,166,667
    LD
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $2,500,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    Mrázek, Petr
    $3,250,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    $3,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Boqvist, Adam
    $894,167
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    $889,166
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Eakin, Cody
    $2,250,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    $1,500,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    De Haan, Calvin
    $4,550,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1

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    Jun 21 at 11:54
    #1
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    Flames decline
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    Jun 21 at 11:55
    #2
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    We better be the ones getting Eichel if we’re giving up Tkachuk. That’s the only way the Flames are giving up Tkachuk. If the Flames want Reinhart, they’re propose a deal including Monahan instead.
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    Jun 21 at 11:56
    #3
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    No thanks from Chicago.
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    Jun 22 at 12:01
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    Quoting: CJets
    We better be the ones getting Eichel if we’re giving up Tkachuk. That’s the only way the Flames are giving up Tkachuk. If the Flames want Reinhart, they’re propose a deal including Monahan instead.


    Lol Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player
    Jun 22 at 12:03
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    Quoting: JokiStan
    Lol Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player


    Yeah so you can have #12 as well but Reinhart isn't a Tkachuk level player just as much as Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player
    Jun 22 at 12:11
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Yeah so you can have #12 as well but Reinhart isn't a Tkachuk level player just as much as Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player


    we'd have to add something but Reinhart was a top 10 goal scorer in a year largely without Eichel, Tkachuk had a better team and better linemates and had close to the same point total. I'd say they are closer value wise than Tkachuk is to Eichel
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    Jun 22 at 12:17
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    Quoting: JokiStan
    we'd have to add something but Reinhart was a top 10 goal scorer in a year largely without Eichel, Tkachuk had a better team and better linemates and had close to the same point total. I'd say they are closer value wise than Tkachuk is to Eichel


    Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures
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    Jun 22 at 12:19
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse


    Seeing how PLD "forced his way out of town" and Columbus still got Laine and Roslovic I'm not especially worried, always a market for goal scoring wingers coming off a carrier year
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    Jun 22 at 12:21
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    Quoting: JokiStan
    Seeing how PLD "forced their way out of town" and Columbus still got Laine and Roslovic I'm not worried, always a market for goal scoring singers coming off a carrier year


    I'm not saying Reinhart won't get a good return but he won't be getting an upgrade, especially since Buffalo is scorching earth

    Also I wasn't aware Reinhart had a good voice
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    Jun 22 at 12:21
    #10
    thewookie1
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    Eichel >> Tkachuk => Reinhart

    Tkachuk's stats

    2016-17 76 13 35 48
    2017-18 68 24 25 49
    2018-19 80 34 43 77
    2019-20 69 23 38 61
    2020-21 56 16 27 43

    Reinhart's Stats

    2015-16 79 23 19 42
    2016-17 79 17 30 47
    2017-18 82 25 25 50
    2018-19 82 22 43 65
    2019-20 69 22 28 50
    2020-21 54 25 15 40

    Statistically they are rather close, Reinhart is a bit healthier and is very consistent at getting 22/23 goals a season.
    Tkachuk is a bit more of a wildcard and has missed 6+ games in all but one season during his career. Reinhart has missed 8 TOTAL Games, wow I just figured that last part out lol

    Maybe we add something of a smaller amount to better even it out but they seem like a natural swap.
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    Jun 22 at 12:31
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    Quoting: thewookie1
    Eichel >> Tkachuk => Reinhart

    Tkachuk's stats

    2016-17 76 13 35 48
    2017-18 68 24 25 49
    2018-19 80 34 43 77
    2019-20 69 23 38 61
    2020-21 56 16 27 43

    Reinhart's Stats

    2015-16 79 23 19 42
    2016-17 79 17 30 47
    2017-18 82 25 25 50
    2018-19 82 22 43 65
    2019-20 69 22 28 50
    2020-21 54 25 15 40

    Statistically they are rather close, Reinhart is a bit healthier and is very consistent at getting 22/23 goals a season.
    Tkachuk is a bit more of a wildcard and has missed 6+ games in all but one season during his career. Reinhart has missed 8 TOTAL Games, wow I just figured that last part out lol

    Maybe we add something of a smaller amount to better even it out but they seem like a natural swap.


    I think that if you just look at goals and points, reinhart and tkachuk are actually very similar, but their styles of play are not similar at all. I can 100% see calgary not trading tkachuk for reinhart, even if reinhart is open to extending there. Reinhart for a first (around 10oa this year) and a forward prospect makes sense for all parties. And i want no part of monahan, so keep any monahan bait and switch offers.
    Jun 22 at 12:42
    #12
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    Devils decline
    Jun 22 at 1:04
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I'm not saying Reinhart won't get a good return but he won't be getting an upgrade, especially since Buffalo is scorching earth

    Also I wasn't aware Reinhart had a good voice


    I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it
    Jun 22 at 1:08
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    Quoting: JokiStan
    I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it


    Thats where the problem lies, I'm not debating the trade value in a nutshell. I'm saying Calgary would only be interest in adding to Tkachuk to get Eichel
    Jun 22 at 1:14
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Thats where the problem lies, I'm not debating the trade value in a nutshell. I'm saying Calgary would only be interest in adding to Tkachuk to get Eichel


    And that's why I'm probably not interested unless it was like, Tkachuk, 12, and Zary which probably isn't realistic. You're probably right, all I'm saying is Reinhart is no slouch, even if Calgary wouldnt trade Tkachuk for him
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    Jun 22 at 1:16
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    Quoting: JokiStan
    I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it


    You’re wasting your time talking to that guy

    Tkachuk reportedly wants out
    AND
    Calgary is supposedly sick of his antics

    Yet according to @ledge_and_dairy,
    Tkachuk’s value doesn’t take a hit…. only Reinhart’s does

    That’s just laughable “homer” nonsense
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    Jun 22 at 1:23
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    You’re wasting your time talking to that guy

    Tkachuk reportedly wants out
    AND
    Calgary is supposedly sick of his antics

    Yet according to @ledge_and_dairy,
    Tkachuk’s value doesn’t take a hit…. only Reinhart’s does

    That’s just laughable “homer” nonsense


    You're an idiot dude, I find it most hilarious that you actually took the time unblock me just to read what I wrote too.

    Reinhart basically asked for a trade FYI, Tkachuk didn't. A beat reporter started a rumor with zero substance
    Jun 22 at 1:27
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures


    is Tkachuck not really doing the same thing here? I've been in a disagreement with Sabres fans as i think they are over valuing Reinhart but he is way closer to Tkachuck then Tkachuck is to Eichel, I think Reinhart plus a b+ prospect and 3rd is fair value
    Jun 22 at 1:35
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    Quoting: theleano1
    is Tkachuck not really doing the same thing here? I've been in a disagreement with Sabres fans as i think they are over valuing Reinhart but he is way closer to Tkachuck then Tkachuck is to Eichel, I think Reinhart plus a b+ prospect and 3rd is fair value


    No he's not because Reinhart implied he wanted a trade whereas this Tkachuk rumor was started by Shane O'Brien, an unreliable source

    As for value you would trade Marner for Reinhart a b+ prospect and a 3rd?
    Jun 22 at 1:41
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    No he's not because Reinhart implied he wanted a trade whereas this Tkachuk rumor was started by Shane O'Brien, an unreliable source

    As for value you would trade Marner for Reinhart a b+ prospect and a 3rd?


    Lol no i wouldn't but that's because Marner doesn't have the same value as Tkachuk, O'Brien still ties to the flames org i am sure and was right about montour to FLA so i wouldn't rule it out, would i take it as facts no i wouldn't either, but if we are saying both players want out like the rumor's say right now then its alot closer then you think
    Jun 22 at 1:48
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    Quoting: theleano1
    Lol no i wouldn't but that's because Marner doesn't have the same value as Tkachuk, O'Brien still ties to the flames org i am sure and was right about montour to FLA so i wouldn't rule it out, would i take it as facts no i wouldn't either, but if we are saying both players want out like the rumor's say right now then its alot closer then you think


    Flames wouldnt trade MT for Marner straight up, thats how highly Tkachuk is valued to the Flames and generally around the league.

    As for O'Brien, he played for the Flames for 1 season before getting waived 8 years ago, any ties he has are not really notable. He didn't call the Montour trade either, he just announced it after it happened since he works for SN.

    I get your point about if both players wanted out but ones rumors has way more substance to it than the other. Also even if Chucky wanted out he still has twice Sam's term remaining
    Jun 22 at 2:01
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Flames wouldnt trade MT for Marner straight up, thats how highly Tkachuk is valued to the Flames and generally around the league.

    As for O'Brien, he played for the Flames for 1 season before getting waived 8 years ago, any ties he has are not really notable. He didn't call the Montour trade either, he just announced it after it happened since he works for SN.

    I get your point about if both players wanted out but ones rumors has way more substance to it than the other. Also even if Chucky wanted out he still has twice Sam's term remaining


    See and that's where I will agree with you with tkachuks term and one having more substance then the other but I feel an NHL gm will have more info on those then the fans do, were you lose me is not trading tkachuk for marner imho marner has double the value of tkachuk, I am not saying tkachuk for reinhart 1 for 1 is fair, but I am saying they are closer to value then tkachuk for echiel one for one is
    Jun 22 at 2:16
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    Quoting: theleano1
    See and that's where I will agree with you with tkachuks term and one having more substance then the other but I feel an NHL gm will have more info on those then the fans do, were you lose me is not trading tkachuk for marner imho marner has double the value of tkachuk, I am not saying tkachuk for reinhart 1 for 1 is fair, but I am saying they are closer to value then tkachuk for echiel one for one is


    If a reliable source comes out and backs up O'Brien then sure, as of now it is merely an opinion he put out to likely get traffic to his new podcast.

    I'm not here to debate Tkachuk vs Marner that much as there will be 20 other threads for it (also I thought you were a Leafs fan not a Nucks fan at first). But Marner has gone completely invisible in the postseason 3 years in a row now. Marner despite being a 90 point player has never gotten or even paced 30 goals before, he benefits a lot from having one of the best goal scorers in the league as his center (and JT put of 40 goals when he centered Marner). Whereas until this year Tkachuks center has always been Backlund. Marner is an excellent player but is still overpaid
    Jun 22 at 10:46
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures


    Reinhart isn't really forcing his way out of town, at least not yet.
     
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