Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
PLEASE enlighten me as to which Pens defenceman played less than Pettersson in the playoffs? Talking about alternative facts, go look at the game logs lol.
I’m not saying toi is everything but it’s relevant and saying that he didn’t have a worse year than the last is just wrong. Also had the worst offensive production of his young career. That’s called regression. Being trusted on the PP or PK consistently would be a good place to start next season.
Jack Johnson got signed, yes, but not for the term and money Pettersson has. If he was a free agent I’d have no problem with signing him but that’s not what we’re talking about right? If he was signed for less term and dollars we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Ottawa has no need for a LD. If he was on the right side the conversation would be different but if he’s so valuable then keep him! Saying the contract doesn’t look bad right now just isn’t true.
1st I'm not the one making this trade, or speculating OTT has a need for LD. I don't know what that has to do with anything here. I simply commented on the trade as is.
Second, you can look at those games in the playoffs and realize when they needed stops in the defensive end, they roled MP out there over MM every time. So this whole minutes thing is very skewed as I said. When you hold possession you put the pair you hide in the OZone. Which is what happened. So you can start tying how they used him to the numbers. Yes clearly the offensive production is going to go down, when he gets his time in his own end most of the time.
The term and the amount of JJ being signed really isn't the point. The point is, JJ should have never got a contract to begin with. He's clearly not an NHL level player at this point. But he got one because of an overwhelming demand for something there isn't any of. I don't know how you can't get that point.
Quoting: Wqrrior
I think this is true to an extent, but not for everyone. I know you are higher on MP than most pens fans, but the market doesn't automatically mean all defensemen have inflated prices. MP still has an expensive cap for what he brings. I don't think his value is any different next year than it was at this time last year.
With this logic, Zaitsev can be moved at a premium despite his well recognized bad cap and term. MP isn't quite as bad a contract, but it's not extremely far off. Both are 2-3m defensemen in real value getting paid more than their worth (I know MP's original structure with that 1 yr QO makes it a 3.5x6, which would be much more ideal to have in hindsight).
In such a situation, you would probably agree that its best to hang on to MP. This isn't a player that teams would overpay for.
I just really like White's fit on PIT as a Zucker replacement if he is the ED claim.
Clearly the 1 "free" year has inflated his contract a bit, but he's a 2nd pairing guy. Today you can expect to pay 4 mil for that. So I don't view the cap hit the same way you do. If you signed a guy to play 2LD on the market this year, my guess is you are looking at 4.5+ For two reasons. A. the TV deals are done, and guys want paid. B. the need for defense is high.
I agree they should hold onto MP. I'm not the one proposing they move him. But that's because I realize the grass isn't always greener on the other end.
If you move him and Matheson (which should be the guy they move), then you have to fill a hole. Truth is, there isn't a lot out there to fill it with.
Which gets back to the demand > Supply. Every defenseman available to teams looking for one, is also a hole on another team being created. It's musical chairs with way more chairs than people at this point. So I'd expect to see more expensive contracts, for longer term(aka perk to the player), for guys to sign. I'd also expect to see 1-2 trades from Seattle on defensemen, causing even more issues.
This market is much worse than I think people want to be honest about. But that's going to be clear after the first 3-4 days of free agency, because defense is going to fly off the board and that will be that. You will have either filled the hole or scramble to find a body. When guys get hurt this year, which happens every year, the ability to find a replacement is going to be much harder.