Process Behind a Duncan Keith Trade

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80% of Little's salary is covered by insurance like most player contracts (100% payout, 20% premium so net 80%). No need for a cap dump, as the Jets can use the full cap hit of Little $5,291,667 ) to exceed the cap while only paying 20% of it ($1,058,333) which is cheaper than Keith's real salary. David Thomson, a co-owner of the Jets, is worth 45.9 billion USD. Does he want to lose money? No. Can they absorb it? Absolutely yes.

Seattle makes the most sense.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.

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I don't get where the EDM rumors come from either. I've been commenting on that matter all day long and I agree with you on Keith. I also think that the Oilers could look at him, if he's available and willing to come to EDM. I like your deal as well. I'm fine paying a 1st (it'll be a low/er 1st) if that means we're getting rid of Neal AND Koskinen. I'm not big on D. Strome but at 1,5 AAV he's more than fine and, like you said, he'll still be an RFA. If he has (gets back) chemistry with McJesus we even found our missing top 6 LW. If not he walks or gets flipped for cheap.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead

80% of Little's salary is covered by insurance like most player contracts. No need for a cap dump, as the Jets can use the full cap hit of Little to exceed the cap while only paying 20% of it. David Thomson, a co-owner of the Jets, is worth 45.9 billion USD. Does he want to lose money? No. Can they absorb it? Absolutely yes.

Seattle makes the most sense.

Its's UP TO 80% I believe. I don't know how much specifically it will be for Little. With that said. 20% of his salary is still $3.9M...which is more than Keith's $3.6M AND still getting 20 min atoi.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/how-the-nhls-salary-cap-has-created-a-secondary-market-of-injured-players-and-costlycontracts/article36220762/#:~:text=Insurance%20sometimes%20covers%20up%20to,is%20the%20full%20original%20amount.

As for the ownership goes. Unless you have the partnership agreement between Thomson and the other partners True North Sports and Entertainment...he might need to get approval to make moves. Businesses that own other businesses...don't typically go out and spend money. It's why Dundon bought out his partners in the Hurricanes recently. He's a swash buckling pirate and I love it!

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.

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Like I said, the cap dump trade isn't necessary because of the benefit of exceeding the cap at a discount and the ability of ownership to absorb it. Also, Keith is nowhere near as good as he once was.

Seattle makes the most sense.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.

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AND Like I said...you're over playing the Jets ability to "absorb" anything. There's a reason they don't go out and spend near the cap. Agreed on Seattle, but I think you're fandom is writing checks ownership won't do.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.

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$45.9 billion dollar net worth of one owner.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:34 p.m.

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$45.9 billion dollar net worth of one owner.

That's not the owner. It's True North Sports and Entertainment which is owned by Osmington Inc. and while Thomson owns Osmington and is certainly one of the board members...he doesn't get to act universally. That's why Dundon bought out all his partners.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.

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Zero chance Winnipeg even looks at that deal.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.

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Haven't the Jets been spending to the cap or really close to it for quite a few years now?

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:41 p.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

You're trying to sell your trade. I get it. TNSE owns the Jets and Megill Stephenson (Chipman) and Osmington (Thomson) own TNSE. If Thomson wants to write a personal cheque, the board isn't going to stop him because its a personal cheque.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:49 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead

I mean yeah, You're right about that. I am trying to sell the trade. You're trying to sell the idea that Thomson is going to write a personal check for stuff. That's not how the world works, but ok. I guess Dubas could trade Matthews to Winnipeg for a 7th too.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:52 p.m.

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Look you put alot of work in your sales job and you want internet validation. That's fine. Little's cap space is an asset and not an anchor and the insurance policy that most SPCs have are there to act as a cushion for these types of situations. Trading a first plus the cap space asset for a rapidly declining defender is absurd and trying to couch it as a major financial issue is laughable.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 1:58 p.m.

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Just by virtue of all the cap space they have, Seattle definitely makes the most sense as a landing spot via the expansion draft. The only wrinkle is that the Kraken will have a lot of decent Dmen to choose from around the league, whereas talent at forward will be harder to come by for them. If they think a guy like Gaudette (or another forward in his 20's) still has any kind of upside they might just go for that.

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Edited Jul. 2, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.

Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Haven't the Jets been spending to the cap or really close to it for quite a few years now?

I guess it's all relative. Capfriendly goes back 6 years. Link below. There's obviously a lot more that goes into those numbers than face value. BUT the face value summary is below.

15/16 - most cap available
16/17 - 4th most
17/18 - 10th most
18/19 - 12th most
19/20 - 8th most
20/21 - LEAST cap available

https://www.capfriendly.com/archive/2016

Jul. 2, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead

Yeah this thread reads as a hopeful fan dreaming of far fetched, highly illogical trade , completely unrealistic trade situations in which somehow by a miracle, Keith returns a first.

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Jul. 2, 2021 at 2:25 p.m.

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Yeah this thread reads as a hopeful fan dreaming of far fetched, highly illogical trade , completely unrealistic trade situations in which somehow by a miracle, Keith returns a first.

You're specifically the person I was referencing in the description about fandom not thinking logically about the business side of things. I find this a bit ironic.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.

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You're specifically the person I was referencing in the description about fandom not thinking logically about the business side of things. I find this a bit ironic.

I thought you meant yourself when you wrote that. Only a fanboy as you come across here could think that there is even a one in a million shot you could pass this off as something logical that any rational team would think makes sense.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 2:39 p.m.

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Ah yes, the I'm rubber you're glue talk. Very adult of you. Considering you just come on here to tear down other people and not actually create ANY teams, nor contribute any support for your comments I think you know deep down that you're just the troll here.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.

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So, you're the one who makes the silly, unrealistic proposal. All posters including myself in this thread come here, offer our opinions as to why it doesn't make sense and all of us back up our opinions with facts and common sense. While your only support for your comment is "well it's my fantasy", but somehow I'm the one being unrealistic.

Sounds like your feelings are hurt that no one thinks your Hawks fandom proposal makes even the slightest bit of sense. If you want more constructive responses try to put just the slightest thought into why the other tram would make the trade. Rather than the "this would be perfect for the Hawks" line of thinking.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.

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You're 1,000% correct on this. Pending no other trades, Seattle can have Dumba, Graves, Dunn, Giordano, Dillon, Lauzon, Cernak. Those are all better options for sure. If Seattle doesn't take Keith...I think they look at Kampf to be honest. In admittedly a short stint...Gaudette has been invisible. I'm honestly starting to think VAN won the swap between Highmore and Gaudette. Only time will tell. If Seattle takes Gaudette/Kampf...I think the Hawks have a huge win on their hands. Just one man's opinion.

Jul. 2, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.

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I can’t see WPG trading Little for any reason. The contract is insured, LTIR remains an option, and the optics of trading a leader aren’t good.

As for cap space. Winnipeg has always operated as a budget team. Do some research on some of the contracts the Jets have traded for over the years, where cap hit is higher than cash outlay. Cap space also accrues if a team doesn’t use LTIR. So from 2018 onwards, the cap space made it possible for Winnipeg to trade for assets at the deadline.

On the ownership... Winnipeg does have the richest owner of a sports team based in Canada. Will this mean a blank cheque, not likely, but as a fan I wouldn’t worry about $$$ getting in the way of chasing a cup.

As for Keith. He is a 3rd pairing D with great experience and on the last couple holes of his career. Even with a 50% salary retention, it makes zero sense to trade the 18th pick for a bottom pair D. You can sign one of those for league minimum. Is Keith better than a replacement level 3rd pair D, I think he is, but not worth a first. A 4th, maybe, at that point your picks are pretty risky, but not anything in the top 100 of a draft.

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