You forgot to add Detroit's 1st.

Wont take that much for detroit to take on kassian. Can be a 3rd line winger for the wings for a couple year. At 3.2 he is pricey but its jot a complete dump. All for attaching and asset with kassian but not need for it to be 2 prospects and a 2nd

As a Hawks fan, I'm FOR making the potential Keith to EDM trade larger by inserting Dylan Strome. I know scoring depth is EDM's single biggest area of concern to address, BUT the trade above isn't going work form the CHI perspective. Samorukov would stay in the KHL another year if he was sent to CHI. Picks is where it's at for CHI.

I'm actually ok with retaining a little on Keith, BUT you're missing an opportunity where BOTH CHI and EDM can win. Send Mikko to Chicago vs buying him out and reduce the Keith's Retention. Mikko's buyout has a $1.5M price tag next year anyway. From the EDM perspective it's the same exact thing as Keith with $1M retained...if you buyout Mikko. CHI would rather take Mikko's cap hit in full this year vs buying him out. Share the savings together. It really is a win/win situation.

They're a lot of misconceptions or call it education on Samorukov that people seem to be missing. Samorukov is a bonafide prospect who only went to the KHL because the AHL shut down. His AHL numbers and performance was extremely good. He may very well make the Oilers coming out of camp this year and By all accounts is ahead of Broberg on the Oilers defensive depth charts.
He could very well be Jones replacement on the Oilers this year.
within a year or two would be a replacement of Keith's on ether the Oiler or the Blackhawks.

No 5th going back in wings deal

All the posters that don't think this is exactly what it will take are crazy. Kassian has negative value for us and has a big cap hit for multiple years. This is the value

A 5th makes the NHL something like 6% of the time. Its fine and would likely be the return. And i agree, Kassian does have negative value. Hence the 2 prospects and the pick going to Detroit. I have plenty of cap space to not even do the deal. But i think this is the type of deal Ken and Steve would/could agree on. Helps both teams out to a degree.

I don't think the 5th would make it not happen and I agree with everything you are saying. I would just push for nothing going back if I was Steve. If Holland demanded it, can't see it being an issue

This is what a lot of people miss. If we consider that there were 31 teams in the league this past season, that means there are 186 "top-6" guys and anything below that is "bottom-6". Looking at the cap hit list from last year we see that Kassian carried the 192nd largest cap hit - meaning he's getting paid like a good 3rd liner. His performance this year wasn't on par thanks to COVID, but since he performed like a top-6 goal scorer the previous 2 years I don't think its fair at all to consider him a cap dump if he's healthy.


I'm not. He's got some value around the league.

Teams like the new york rangers are looking for guys like Kassian to help combat tom Wilson it wouldn't be that hard to get rid of him.

Hes 3.2 a year , yes. But hes 9.6mil in total dollars. The deal is fair imo. It cost Toronto a 1st and 5th i believe to dump 1 yr and just over 6mil of Patrick Marleau. The deal i think is fair because Kass is slightly more productive and a protector for all these young kids theyre going to be bringing in/up

$8.3 over 3 years. He's getting paid like a 3rd liner and he can perform better than that when healthy. There's no good reason to give up these assets to move him.

If Kassian's contract had been for two years I would have accepted right away.

Three years makes him problematic, Detroit is already full on the wings (no pun intended) and will have to waive someone else to take him on and thus risk losing a player we'd rather keep, that has a cost too.

There is probably a deal somewhere in there but it needs talking about.

He performed better then that only with McDavid in less then 1 seasons worth of games and has since lost the chemistry. Hes being paid a million and change annually more then hes ever been worth(other than that heater) and is currently worth. You need to be realistic, not a fanboy. No insult intended

Could always waive Kassian. He doesn't need expansion protection either

True, but that would also be wasting resources, human ones in that case.

Could we work something out with you taking Pánik back?

He got paid based on what he did in the playoffs against san jose and right up till the contract. He was an absolute force during that time frame although it didn't show on the scoresheet. If he was that player again he is worth that all day long. He was zach hyman with an edge people were looking over their shoulders for him.

Then lets look at my statement from a factual, realistic POV.

"... he performed like a top-6 goal scorer the previous 2 years..."

So we're looking at goal-scoring in 2018-19 and 2019-20.

At 5v5, Kassian scored 27 goals over those 2 years, good for 77th (tied) in the league. Some of the names he was tied with are significant: Malkin, Barzal, Giroux, Wheeler, Forsberg and Landeskog, to name a few. Does he owe a lot of that to McDavid? Of course, I'm not suggesting he's as good as those other guys. But not everyone can score while playing with McDavid, and he's the one that put the puck into the net, you can't devalue that altogether. It's not like racking up 2nd assists while playing with Lemieux and Jagr, for instance.

Broken down by per-sixty, we see that his contribution to Oilers scoring was indeed significant:

Draisaitl: 1.18 G/60
McDavid: 1.12
Nugent-Hopkins: 0.87
Kassian: 0.84
Yamamoto: 0.78

BTW, he played 1091:58 (57%) with McDavid and scored at a pace of 1.10 G/60.
He also played 403:42 (21%) with Kyle Brodziak and scored at a pace of 0.74 G/60.

He's not useless. He struggled this year due to injuries. If healthy he's worth his AAV even if you ignore the physical aspect of his game.

It's not that I don't like Samorukov as a player. I think he has the potential to be a solid bottom or maybe even middle pair Dman in the NHL. (Top pair isn't realistic IMO.) It's just that I wouldn't place him higher than any of the Hawks current D prospects like Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Kalynuk, Stillman that are already contracted with the team and learning the teams' systems/schemes. That's why he'd be in the KHL. I guess the long winded way of saying...Picks are preferred from the Hawks system because Samorukov is the prospect the Hawks actually do have in spades. That list actually doesn't even include some of their NCAA / CHL 20/under prospects too.

Kass has value. Can easily make a deal with a detroit or NYR and actual get an asset for him and not retain. I just dont know if kassian is the solution in edmonton as a 3RW

2of the last 3 years he has been productive. Marleau was a heavily detwrioating asset and toronto had to dump cap space and 6mil is alot. Kassian at 3.2 cap hit to be a legit, strong 3rd line winger is an asset not a dump

If you want a good laugh with money gymnastic go look at my acgm on the stauffer special lol

Ahhh. In 2018-19 he had 26 points in 79. 19pts in 74 games the year prior and 24pts in 79 games the year before that. His 34pts in 59 games last year(2019-20) was a career high, and hes since lost that mojo. He had 5 points in 27 games this year. A 15 point pace. I have no idea where your getting your VERY good 3rd liner idea from, but its not from his play. If anything hes a (just) good 4th liner. I love me my Zack kassian. But hes wayyy overpaid. He should be at 2 million tops. Hes also not going to get better at his age now, hes going to decline in all likelihood. You are NOT getting anything of value for Zack Kassian. Period. A 3rd MAYBE from a desperate East team looking for a tough guy. Thats it. You are 100% being unrealistic. And i LOVE Zacks rag dolling ways. Also Marleau had 16 goals, 21 assists for 37 points his last season in Toronto. Hes also played 3 seasons since. How deteriorated is he. He'll likely be back again

That very desperate team in the east in question is one of toronto, rangers, boston or pitsburgh. The good thing about kass is he is quite the skater when he wants to and is physical which eye test guys absolutely love. Wouldnt be surprised to seem him with the pens or rangers next year

You know, right now Samorukov projects to be a top 4 pairing defensmen.

The Oilers had a defensmen who projected to be a middle pairing defensmen and after 285 NHL games the Oilers thought he reached his peak, even though most fans and analytic types keeps saying his game was really good and he just needed to be surrounded by better players, the Oilers traded him for a 2nd rounder....Now, it's one of the worst trades the Oilers have ever made. That player was Jeff Petry.
I'm not saying Samorukov is Petry, but there is a real good chance he projects higher than middle pair and I wouldn't trade him for Keith straight up right now.