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2021-22 DRW using TheAthletics Outlandish trade proposal

Created by: TMarch
Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 12, 2021
Published: Jul. 12, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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If you are a subscriber to The Athletic, you can read the article here: https://theathletic.com/2700668/2021/07/12/red-wings-draft-3-trade-up-scenarios-from-pick-no-23-and-how-theyd-work/

Only focusing on the Vancouver proposal (along with some signings).
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$3,500,000
1$1,050,000
1$1,050,000
1$1,050,000
3$5,400,000
1$900,000
4$4,500,000
2$2,750,000
1$1,050,000
1$1,050,000
1$1,050,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$4,000,000
2$3,250,000
2$1,500,000
2$3,500,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. 2021 1st round pick (WSH)
2.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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Logo of the DET
Logo of the WSH
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Logo of the COL
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the DET
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$69,232,223$0$2,018,750$12,267,777
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,400,000$5,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW
UFA - 1
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,375,000$1,375,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,050,000$1,050,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$318,750$319K)
C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,600,000$3,600,000
G
UFA - 1
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,050,000$1,050,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,700,000$1,700,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,050,000$1,050,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,050,000$1,050,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,050,000$1,050,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000 ($4,875,000$5M$4,875,000$5M)
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,250,000$5,250,000 ($4,125,000$4M$4,125,000$4M)
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.
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I’m all for it as a Detroit fan, but I can’t see Vancouver doing it. Maybe it it were closer to moving 5-8 spots back they’d consider it, but 13 is a lot.
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:42 p.m.
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well this would certainly complete their quest to get a high impact futures piece at every position. As far as I’m concerned they need a 1LW, a 1LD, and a goalie (after that, an upgrade on larkin-veleno-rasmussen-niederbach up the middle would be nice but they should get one of the highly touted centres in next year’s draft with just 1 more season in the basement, and those guys aren’t bad if that’s what you have to roll with). If they get one of amirov/sandin/robertson from toronto for bertuzzi, draft one of eklund/edvinsson/hughes at 6, and then draft wallstedt (or cossa if wallstedt goes to the sharks, he’s very highly touted as well) they can fill those holes
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Why not right, I dont think vancouver agrees though
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:45 p.m.
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shoot, I would hope the canes would do that and they are trying to win. TheAthletic trade proposals have been pretty bad lately.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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Why is this outlandish? Seems perfectly reasonable and realistic.
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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Actually this trade proposal has been floating around for a few days on here. It's was a Vancouver fan who originally posted it I think.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 3:57 p.m.
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Quoting: NLidstrom
I’m all for it as a Detroit fan, but I can’t see Vancouver doing it. Maybe it it were closer to moving 5-8 spots back they’d consider it, but 13 is a lot.


Quoting: Alfie11
well this would certainly complete their quest to get a high impact futures piece at every position. As far as I’m concerned they need a 1LW, a 1LD, and a goalie (after that, an upgrade on larkin-veleno-rasmussen-niederbach up the middle would be nice but they should get one of the highly touted centres in next year’s draft with just 1 more season in the basement, and those guys aren’t bad if that’s what you have to roll with). If they get one of amirov/sandin/robertson from toronto for bertuzzi, draft one of eklund/edvinsson/hughes at 6, and then draft wallstedt (or cossa if wallstedt goes to the sharks, he’s very highly touted as well) they can fill those holes


Quoting: Jfstompers
Why not right, I dont think vancouver agrees though


Quoting: ecupirate07
shoot, I would hope the canes would do that and they are trying to win. TheAthletic trade proposals have been pretty bad lately.


Quoting: redw1n9s
Why is this outlandish? Seems perfectly reasonable and realistic.


The move from 22 to 9 is worth about the 25 pick (based on Tulsky's chart). I'd say that's about the right value for taking this contract because whoever takes has to bury him or buy him out. And his buy out is ridiculous.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
Quoting: RedWing9119
The move from 22 to 9 is worth about the 25 pick (based on Tulsky's chart). I'd say that's about the right value for taking this contract because whoever takes has to bury him or buy him out. And his buy out is ridiculous.


I would let him play on the 4th line with Drury as his center and Lorentz as the RW.

If he isnt ready 4.875 million it ride the pine isnt terrible to move up that many spots

A chance to get Wellstadt, Lysell, Kent Johnson, Lucius or other big name that could be available. the forwards would fit in really well with giving us a potential middle 6 scoring option on an ELC when our roster gets really expensive.
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
shoot, I would hope the canes would do that and they are trying to win. TheAthletic trade proposals have been pretty bad lately.


This trade actually has more value since that Washington pick is 22nd overall. That being said I don’t think this enough value but isn’t wildly off. I’d add a second round pick ~45 so it would be 22, 45 for Eriksson + 9. Would Carolina be able to sign Hamilton + Svech doing this?
Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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Post fail.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
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Ugh.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:24 p.m.
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Canucks will never do something so ridiculous. Top9 picks are all interchangeable after that total guessing game. Loui can rot in the minors
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: BStinson
This trade actually has more value since that Washington pick is 22nd overall. That being said I don’t think this enough value but isn’t wildly off. I’d add a second round pick ~45 so it would be 22, 45 for Eriksson + 9. Would Carolina be able to sign Hamilton + Svech doing this?


If we go strictly 2 year bridge with Svech, yes. If we try to go term with Svech, probably not.

Im still unsure what is happening with Hamilton. Theoritically we could with Hamilton back if we sold off Gardiner with Foegele for futures and then Seattle took Skjei. Bean will replace Gardiner for a million or so and we could get another 2LD for a couple million savings.
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.
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Canucks will never do something so ridiculous. Top9 picks are all interchangeable after that total guessing game. Loui can rot in the minors


I think the scenario they were talking about was putting Loui in the minors only saves them ~1.4mm, so that would raise their free cap to ~$14mm. They need to sign at least 5 players to meet a minimum level of players, and two of those players are EP and Hughes, which will eat up a good portion of the free $14mm (or potentially all of the $14mm). By moving Loui completely, it would give them ~$20mm in cap space.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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In my opinion, I don't think the trade is wildly off, nor something that VAN should outright dismiss.

VAN has ~$14mm in free cap space with 15 players. Two of the players they have to sign (EP and Hughes) will take up most, if not all, of that remaining cap space. They can't backfill the rest of the roster with AHL talent (At best, only Woo and Pod would graduate, but Pod has never played on small ice before, so that's a lot to ask a kid). But even if you graduate kids, they take up cap space too. Even buying out Virtanen only saves you ~1.5mm.

If VAN says 2021-2022 is a lost year, then you eat Loui (or play him, as you'll need bodies), sign EP and Hughes, and wait until 2022-2023 to make any moves. In 2022, they'll lose Loui's cap hit, Roberto's cap hit, plus Beagle and Roussel, but they'll also have to sign Boeser.
Jul. 13, 2021 at 1:28 a.m.
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I think Vancouver is better off using the top 9 pick to get a good player and holding on to Loui for one more season than they are trading back 13 spots to be rid of the contract for one season. They can bridge Petey and Hughes until they have more cap space
 
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