Delete this dude, you're gonna get thrashed

i doubt tampa gives up THAT much for Toffoli
Same for chiarot damn that is an overpay take out the first
i dont know where you're getting a killorn at C from

Toffoli doesn;t get kilhorn AND foote AND a 1st and 2nd, maybe toffoli gets killorn and a 2nd.

And Chiarot doesn;t get a 1st and 2nd.

I just don;t see it.

the Savard deal was @ 25% (twice retained at 50%) at the TDL... so no, Chariot wont get return that much

as for the TB deal, no way they give away that much for a little improvement on the roster, while losing depth and a 1st

Let's be real, Toffoli does not command that much and neither does Chiarot, Chiarot is worth around a 2nd and Toffoli is worth 1st+ but not much more

Killorn is an all situation power foward and Foote is TB's top prospect at it's weakest position no way they give up both alone for Toffolli (minor up grade) nevermind adding a 1&2. Just because Brian MacLellan overpays you're assuming Julian Brisebois is foolish enough to do the same? HUH?!!! Have you not watched playoffs Killorn. No way.

2020-21 : Anthony Mantha (13GP - 4G 3A -8)
vs
2021-22 : Tyler Toffoli (13 GP - 3G 4A -3)

2020-21 : Tyler Toffoli 44 Pts in 56 GP (28 G)
2020-21 : Anthony Mantha 29 Pts in 56GP (15 G)

So, yeah... Toffoli > Mantha

incredibly optimistic.

So why DET get Panik, Vrana, a 1st and 2rd for Mantha if Toffoli has better stats?

2020-21 : Mantha ends with 29 pts in 56 games... Toffoli end with 44 pts in 56 games...

Last year with 13 games... Mantha was 7 pts in 13 games with DET... same deal this year for Toffoli with Mtl...

Mantha : 4G 3A -8
Toffoli : 3G 4A -3

2020-21 : Mantha ends with 29 pts in 56 games... Toffoli end with 44 pts in 56 games...

Last year with 13 games... Mantha was 7 pts in 13 games with DET... same deal this year for Toffoli with Mtl...

Mantha : 4G 3A -8
Toffoli : 3G 4A -3

Panik was a cap dump and MB isn't Yzerman, no smart GM gives up that much for Toffoli, that's a massive overpayment, you'd see around Reinhart/Dvorak return max for Toffoli

Dont know, pretty bad deal for WSH, if you ask me.

but it seems pretty unanimous outside of that example, that most here dont believe Toffoli doesn;t get you Killorn, their only good dmen prospect in Foote and a 1st and a 2nd

TB gives the 1&2 with 1/2 retention.

Toffoli for Kilhorn is a lateral move.

Mantha for Panik was a clear improvment, thus the price paid.

Good comparables but not well executed. I understand you had to make the numbers work but Kilhorn does have value.

Still better idea than 75% of the stuff here.