DAL declines easily. Dumping Khudobin should not cost us 1st+2nd rounder, and if he had interest for Hoffman we would've signed him as free agent. DAL get absolutely shafted here. It's like MTL trading Allen+Guhle+2nd for Faksa.

Gonna disagree here.

Historically Nill has been aggressive when Dallas is in the hunt. Khodobin's contract is really preventing them from grabbing that solid third line piece to complete the top 9. Having said that, the Stars have a number of layers coming off the books, which may indicate this is their last kick at this.

Yes, Nill could have signed Hoffman, but I think there was a thought process that Kivranta was going to fill the void. There a hole in that top 9.

Now, if you don't like this deal because, as I said, this is the Stars last kick at this beforeRadulov, Pavelka and Kilngberg come off the books, ushering in a rebuild - that I get. But, it isn't Nill historically.

Maybe the 2nd is too much. Maybe. But Hoffman is still a 50-60 point player. Cap is tight. So is the western competition. Given what the price point has been for cap dumps in the past, I don't see this as to far off base.

I think Devils rather do a prospect-prospect swap for Boqvist
They already have a 7D in Jaros
A RHD prospect that needs a change of scenery would be the ideal swap

If Dallas were to trade Bourque I'd really rather it be someone like Hertl or Miller than Hoffman.

Solid feedback. Thanks!

I understand that point, but to make either of those guys work, Stars need to move Khodobin...... which at that point could become a Bourque, a 1st+.

If you read my thoughts process, Harley was also a target, maybe that would make more sense. I dunno.

I just don't see Nill being idle. He is going to do something big for a push, and it has to involve Khodobin.

If Chiarot's deal for a prospect and pick I'd much rather have guys like Smilanic or Hepo. Also mayber Chiarots isn't worth a first round pick good christ he's worth more than a project and a pick swap (Especially with the differed year).

I looked seriously at Heponiemi as a target, and given where the Cats are at, ikely could be had. But Noel is actually a solid prospect, and given the depth on the right side, worth waiting. Think Joel Armia is what I see him being. Hepo's size concerns me (yes... it's a new NHL), but the dude is super small.

As for Chariot's value, alone, he tops out at a 2nd. The pick swap is really making up for landing much needed forward depth for the organization.

Historically Nill is a GM dealing with picks over prospects, should he strengthen the team. He will never trade one of our top prospects like Bourque to B tier strengthening whose best assets are in PP, which is far from Stars' biggest weakness. I'd understand him being after Hoffman if he was in similar situation like for instance Zuccarello was, with one year left, trading some (now banned) conditional picks for him.

Also Dobby is stuck in AHL if no one claims him off waivers. With Bishop retiring we don't have an urgent need to shed that contract.

Still $2.5 million on the ole cap hit.

OK, I like expiring contracts as much as the next guy.

But Nill's acquisition of Zucc was a 2nd and a 3rd. If we use that as a basis on Hoffman, whose production is similar, then the proposed deal is pretty bang on.

I get not wanting to move a top prospect. Who does? But it's the saying, "gotta pay to play".

Any real upgrade Nill is going to try and get (and we both know he likely does), Dobby will likely be involved to clear that space in one fashion or another, which if Nill is only willing to move picks, is going to be more damaging than moving a pick and prospect.

Now honestly, I was dancing around either Bourque or Harley..... either or fits the Habs needs. And we can argue in moving Harley, the Stars are dealing a bit more from a position of strength.

It's not. 2nd+3rd is a far cry from Bourque or Harley. Those guys are our top prospects, closer to the range of 1st+2nd. Zero chance they'll get moved for a player Stars do not need.

Most I'd offer for Hoffman is Dobby+2nd. It's a take it or leave it deal, Stars need neither of the players as of right now. I'd much rather look at the actual rental market to get a more affordable deal, especially with Robertson's and Klinberg's contracts expiring. Like Kessel for instance.

Well, we can agree we know Nill is going to pull something off.

And Khodobin's contract can be swapped with Kessel's.

I almost like that idea lol.

Can't say I didn't try, but Kessel...... yeah I can see that.

Dallas is not trading Bourque+ for Hoffman, a 32 year old one-trick pony (only worthwhile on the PP) signed to a 3x4.5M.

Guhle, Kulak, & a 2022 2nd for Alexander Radulov