The Leafs and Knights trades are way off

u do remember jimbo was fired a few weeks ago right?

easy no, fast is turning 31 not on our timeline
late first mostly likely 30-32 range literally no difference between a second
the thirds also dont make up the lost value

would also not like to trade boeser
he is finally starting to heat up under bruce with a goal in almost every past few game

yes we are under a bit of a cap constraint but we do have enough this offseason to give boeser his qo

This makes no sense for Carolina.

Why move Skjei when he's been so incredibly solid when everyone else on the blueline seems to be on the COVID-19 list?

Why move out Nino who's been probably the most consistent scoring threat not named Sebastian Aho?

Bear for Theodore makes no sense because of the cap implications for Carolina.

Cole has been very meh. Brodie has been very good, you're looking at more than some mid-round picks to change that.

Fast has been more consistent than Boeser this year. Fight me on it. I don't care, why would you trade him when he's SO incredibly solid defensively? I understand a case for moving Fast, but this is the wrong type of deal.

If you get Theodore for Bear you do it and deal with the cap lmao. Theo >>>>>>>>>> Bear

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with how much better than bear you seem to think Theo is, but Theodore is the better player for sure. However, Bear is cost controlled and has emerged as a genuine 1st pairing D man. While he likely won't be as good as Theodore, he is right handed, which gives him that increased value off the bat. I don't think there's a reason for either team to make this trade. Especially when Carolina's D core is just flat out the best in the league right now.

I like Fast too, he's reasonably valuable, but I Boeser has been pretty consistent since the coaching change, he even scored against the Hurricanes in their only loss in their last seven games or so. Vancouver probably doesn't do this, but the value isn't terrible, and I can see Vancouver having interest in Fast

Leafs have a lot of LHD coming up the pipeline but few RHD. If a defenseman like Brodie were to be traded, it would be Muzzin.

6 games isn't consistent, that's a streak.

Fast has been on one of the best analytical lines in hockey all year, and has been one of the Canes best players, despite being forced to play through all sorts of bugs and diseases that he normally would have been taken out of the lineup for because the Canes couldn't replace him due to cap constraints.

I'm not kidding when I say that I see Boeser keeping up the scoring pace he is on through the rest of the regular season at least, he's that good of a player, and his sudden uptick in scoring is anything but a fluke

Boeser has looked like a completely different player since the coaching change

Sure, but that's still a streak. Boeser's been streaky his entire career. Still doesn't change the fact that to this point of the season, Fast has been more consistent.

Fair enough. For some reason, I can vividly imagine Jesper Fast in a Blue Jacket's uniform, I know that sounds random, but I don't know why. I'm also not sure why the Rangers didn't manage or chose not to re-sign him

Consistent =/= better. Boeser has 227 points in 281 games. Fast has 178 in 497.

Boeser is also younger. Maybe there's a very small chance Fast is better for a run this year but Boeser is much better in every way going forward.

I would be wary of penciling him in as a bonafide first pair d-man, and if he is his next contract is probably more than Theo's (who is on a very good contract).

Boeser also has injury and consistency issues, slacks off defensively, and is known for being streaky.

Fast is known for being a defensive wall, consistent with the chances he generates, and being a 7 or8 out of 10 player every game regardless of the circumstances. Consistency = Better when its in comparison to a streaky player that has been cold like Boeser before the coaching change

He's been that this year. He's proven himself in major minutes without Slavin or Pesce babysitting him, and has been the pick of the rest of the D core in his own zone. He's been absolutely EXCELLENT and I would be very wary of moving him with how well he's performed.

Cap constraints. They paid Kreider that summer. Plus, he kinda fits in with Skjei, Stepan, DeAngelo, Smith, and Raanta as the Canes are trying to build the 2014 Rangers this year

Likely? Certainly would be a better choice. As much as i’d like to add Boesser and Theodore the cost would be a lot more and nothing i’d want to pay. And no reason for Seattle to do that.

Benning would have took it and flipped those picks haha. I hope Boeser gets his QO. Would suck for you guys if they let him go.

I didn't expect that criticism haha. These are slam dunk deals for Ronnie Francis...

That's a good point

Lol, since when does a team that’s out of it and building for the future trade futures and players under control for a rental and vet they don’t need. Has no long term value for them.

Boeser has player 272 games since entering the league in his first full season, Fast has played 281. I don't think a 9 game difference constitutes "injury issues" - unless Fast has them too.

Aside from his start this year - Boeser has been a very solid scoring winger. I'm not sure I would put the streaky title on.

He also has 11pts in 17 playoff games. Fast has 3 in 11 with the Canes.

Boeser has always been inconsistent. The argument that he's been consistent under Bruce is why I say sample size matters. He's great one game and awful the next.

Fast also plays a better all around game, and doesn't play the same amount of minutes. Fast has been largely stuck in the middle six, whereas Boeser gets top 6 minutes with powerplay time. Fast plays all situations, Boeser doesn't. Fast is also scoring at a 40 point rate (roughly, it's somewhere between 37-39 so I'm rounding) and is likely to get that with goals regularly, whereas Boeser is streaky and would largely need multi-goal games.

Excluding this season, Boeser has only gone 5 games without a point once, and 4 games I think twice. Is that streaky? He's not great one game, awful the next.

Fast has gone 6(+) games without a point multiple times.

You're trying to use points to validate the consistency of a player with major powerplay time against a middle six defensive specialist? We're not going to get anywhere on that basis.

Boeser's xGAR swings like a pendulum. He's such an offensive threat one game, the next game he's a ghost, the next game he's meh, the next game he's the opponents best player. Sometimes, you get all of this in the same game. Fast has never gone more than 2 consecutive games with a negative xGA and that was when the Rangers were blowing it up. Fast is EASILY more consistent.