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The difference between a trade for Gretzky and a trade for Eichel

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 31, 2021
Published: Dec. 31, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (BUF)
VGK
2.
EDM
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (VGK)
BUF
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
This is the trade for Jack Eichel.
3.
EDM
VGK
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (VGK)
4.
EDM
    Oilers get:

    2nd Overall Pick from 1986 (Jimmy Carson)

    Plus

    7th Overall Pick from 1988 (Martin Gelinas)

    Plus

    3 fresh 1st round picks

    Plus

    15 million in Cash for Mr. Pocklington


    Oilers won the 1990 Stanley Cup less than 2 years later.

    Without Gretzky.

    Pocklington did well here.
    LAK
      Kings get:

      Wayne Gretzky
      Marty McSorley
      Mike Krushelnyski


      This was the trade for Wayne Gretzky at Age 27 in August of 1988.
      5.
      EDM
        Who would be today's equivalent of Carson and Gelinas?
        LAK
          Who would be today's equivalent to Gretzky, McSorley and Krushelnyski?
          6.
          EDM
          1. Byfield, Quinton
          2. Turcotte, Alex
          3. 2022 1st round pick (LAK)
          4. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
          5. 2024 1st round pick (LAK)
          Additional Details:
          Here it is.


          Two forwards that were recently drafted in the Top 10

          Three fresh 1st round picks

          About 15 million in free cap space for the Oilers


          I'm not sure when teams were barred from using cash as a trade chip.

          Maybe someone in the comments can tell me.
          LAK
          1. Kassian, Zack
          2. McDavid, Connor
          3. Yamamoto, Kailer
          Additional Details:
          In this post, McDavid would be today's version of Gretzky while Kassian would be today's version of McSorley.



          Finding a today's version of Krushelnyski on the Oilers is tricky.

          One thing about Krushelnyski is that he got more than a point per game in 1984-1985 and never came close ever again.

          I have a feeling that Yamamoto may never score a point per game like he did in 2019-2020 ever again as well.
          7.
          EDM
            So, there you have it.
            LAK
              Let me know what you guys think.


              Is McDavid's trade value more like Gretzky's or more like Eichel's?


              And I'll see you in the comments :D
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              23$81,500,000$66,211,135$669,339$6,472,500$15,288,865
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              $1,175,000$1,175,000
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              UFA - 1
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              $5,125,000$5,125,000
              LW, C
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              UFA - 8
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              $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
              LW, C
              RFA - 3
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              $2,750,000$2,750,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $850,000$850,000
              LW, C, RW
              UFA - 2
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              $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$1,550,000$2M)
              C
              RFA - 3
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              $870,000$870,000 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
              RW, C
              RFA - 2
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              $750,000$750,000
              RW, C
              UFA - 1
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              $834,167$834,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
              C
              RFA - 1
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              $1,250,000$1,250,000
              C, RW
              UFA - 2
              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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              $5,600,000$5,600,000
              LD
              UFA - 1
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              $4,500,000$4,500,000
              RD
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $4,500,000$4,500,000
              G
              M-NTC
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
              LD
              RFA - 3
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
              RD
              RFA - 2
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              $2,200,000$2,200,000
              G
              UFA - 2
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              $5,538,462$5,538,462
              LD
              NMC
              UFA - 2
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              $3,250,000$3,250,000
              RD
              UFA - 4
              ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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              $925,000$925,000
              LD/RD
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
              LW, C
              RFA - 3
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $4,167,000$4,167,000
              LD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $750,000$750,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $817,500$817,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
              LD
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $1,500,000$1,500,000
              RW, LW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $725,000$725,000
              LD/RD
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $1,250,000$1,250,000
              LD/RD
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $785,000$785,000
              G
              UFA - 1
              Taxi Squad
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $1,650,000$1,650,000 ($525,000$525K$525,000$525K)
              C, RW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
              $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
              RW, LW
              UFA - 1

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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 8:56 a.m.
              #1
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              Nice job
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 9:24 a.m.
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              Very interesting.... decent comparables
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 9:32 a.m.
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              This is good!
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.
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              Jimmy Carson scored 186 points as a teenager before being traded. Byfield is not a comparison
              Dec. 31, 2021 at 10:08 a.m.
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              Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
              Jimmy Carson scored 186 points as a teenager before being traded. Byfield is not a comparison


              This is the closest he can come and stay within one team. Don't complain about things over which no one has any control.
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 10:11 a.m.
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              Really great job! You think of some truly fascinating ideas to ponder and discuss.

              I open any team construction you post, whereas normally, I stick to those five or six teams I have a strong interest in or posts with trades involving my two crummy local teams.
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 10:19 a.m.
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              Your mcdavid trade is comparable to the trade for Gretzky
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 10:54 a.m.
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              This is good but knowing what we know now, I wouldn't do this trade again. I'd keep McDavid unless he asks out
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.
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              Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
              Jimmy Carson scored 186 points as a teenager before being traded. Byfield is not a comparison

              He also had HOFers Messier, Anderson,Kuri, Tikkanem.guys who were really top notch scorers like klima Graves,Gelinas Murphy and scoring was higher league wide then.
              Dec. 31, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
              He also had HOFers Messier, Anderson,Kuri, Tikkanem.guys who were really top notch scorers like klima Graves,Gelinas Murphy and scoring was higher league wide then.


              Carson wasn't on the Oilers during the period I was referencing. I was talking about before the trade. Hence saying " before being traded"

              Every player you referenced in the 2nd group except for gelinas were traded FOR carson
              Dec. 31, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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              I did one like this but it wasn’t as good lmao
              Dec. 31, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
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              Quoting: xercuses
              I did one like this but it wasn’t as good lmao


              You mean this?

              https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/537400



              Comparing either RNH or Darnell Nurse to Marty McSorley is something else popcorn
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
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              Quoting: OldNYIfan
              This is the closest he can come and stay within one team. Don't complain about things over which no one has any control.

              It’s actually the author of the post’s fault that byfield didn’t score at a ridiculous pace in juniors
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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              A couple things to consider as well.
              Pocklington needed the money. That was the impetus for making the trade at all. Gretzky himself said he wasn't traded, he was sold.
              The $15M Gretzky was sold for, is closer to $30M today, probably more considering the growth of the game. McDavid is easily worth more than that in marketing alone.
              Trading McDavid for financial gain is no longer an option, nor does it make sense while he is basically printing money for the team.
              If you remove the $15M aspect, that value would have to be accounted for in another way, namely a higher return. So I don't feel this goes far enough. A McDavid trade wouldn't be equivalent to a Gretzky trade, it would eclipse it.
              Dec. 31, 2021 at 1:40 p.m.
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              Cash trades were barred in 2005 with the new salary cap CBA.

              For the record, even though Pocklington "did well here," he still gets death threats to this day for making that trade.
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 2:31 p.m.
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              Quoting: tkecanuck341
              Cash trades were barred in 2005 with the new salary cap CBA.

              For the record, even though Pocklington "did well here," he still gets death threats to this day for making that trade.


              Each and every single threat on his life has probably made Pocklington more entrenched in his belief that he did the right thing shakes head
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              Dec. 31, 2021 at 6:23 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              You mean this?

              https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/537400



              Comparing either RNH or Darnell Nurse to Marty McSorley is something else popcorn


              YeH 😂
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              Jan. 1, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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              Edited Jan. 1, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
              Quoting: capsfan2121
              Nice job
              Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
              Very interesting.... decent comparables
              Quoting: Ryan_the_Awesome_Hockey_Fan
              This is good!
              Quoting: OldNYIfan
              Really great job! ...
              Quoting: edeangel84
              Your mcdavid trade is comparable to the trade for Gretzky
              Quoting: DripBayless
              This is good but knowing what we know now, I wouldn't do this trade again. I'd keep McDavid unless he asks out
              Quoting: xercuses
              I did one like this but it wasn’t as good lmao
              Quoting: JeffSkinnerFan53
              It’s actually the author of the post’s fault that byfield didn’t score at a ridiculous pace in juniors
              Quoting: ricochetii
              A couple things to consider as well...
              Quoting: tkecanuck341
              Cash trades were barred in 2005 with the new salary cap CBA...
              Quoting: xercuses
              YeH 😂
              That is a great job comparing the two.
              Eichel could have been compared to Lindros especially when one compares Jack and Eric NHL production:

              Kerry Huffman, #20 overall 1986
              Mike Ricci, 1 #4 overall 1990
              Peter Forsberg, #6 overall 1991
              round 1 pick in the 1993 draft,
              round 1 pick in the 1994 draft
              future considerations,
              and cash
              While also receiving three good NHL players.
              Steve Duchesne,
              Ron Hextall,
              Chris Simon,
              which was closer to what Gretzky received without adding Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley.
              Can you imagine Lindros actually getting more than Gretzky?
              How times have changed.
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              Jan. 1, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.
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              Quoting: gretzkyghosts
              That is a great job comparing the two.
              Eichel could have been compared to Lindros especially when one compares Jack and Eric NHL production:

              Peter Forsberg, #6 overall 1991
              Kerry Huffman, #20 overall 1986
              Mike Ricci, 1 #4 overall 1990
              future considerations,
              round 1 pick in the 1993 draft,
              round 1 pick in the 1994 draft
              and cash
              While also receiving three good NHL players.
              Steve Duchesne,
              Ron Hextall,
              Chris Simon,
              which was closer to what Gretzky received without adding Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley.
              Can you imagine Lindros actually getting more than Gretzky?
              How times have changed.


              This was also before he even played a game.
              A big part of it was saving face in Quebec. Lindros refusing to play there was bad PR. The whole thing was a mess with Quebec having two deals made and an arbitrator being brought in.
              In the end, Quebec got a lot more than they should have for a player that they were never going to have anyway, and the league ended up abandoning Quebec shortly after.
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