Wouldn't give up a 1st even with Moore going back. Boston needs a 2C and Dvorak isn't it that.

MTL isn't trading Dvorak after one season without a return on investment.

Boston & Montreal doesn’t trade together
Simple as that

DVO would be a great fit in Boston. But Habs acquired him for a 1st and 3rd. Moore is an ahl player on a bad contract so he is negative value. Plus Bostons 1st is gonna be a late rounder. From a Habs perspective this sucks! Dvorak has only played around 20 games for us.

Can't see Burins making that trade this season. And come summer, Bruins will look at their cap and centre position. I imagine that aim higher than Dvorak

Dvorak has been playing with injury the whole year. You could look at his progression in Arizona, and he is surely a 2nd line centre. Anyway Habs wouldn't accept this offer in a million years.

Definitely not a good fit for either team.
1. The bruins and habs don’t trade. It’s just not a thing. We could end there.
2. The habs just traded for him. I dont think it makes much sense to give up on him so quickly when one of the reasons they valued him was his term.
3. He just isn’t what the bruins need. He certainly isn’t a 2C for any sort of good team. The bruins have an abundance of 3C, a 1C, but lack a 2C. This is using a first round pick, which should be one of their tools to get a 2C to add to their redundancy in roster players.

Assuming at 82 game average, he was playing just under a 40pt pace in ARZ while playing with guys like Garland, Kessel, Keller and Hall. This year for MTL he's playing at (SURPRISE) just under a 40pt pace. He's a 3C on a legit contender, but could be use as a 2C on a bad team....which is exactly what both ARZ and MTL are. Boston already has their 3C in Charlie Coyle but we've been forced to use him as a 2C, and wouldn't you know it Boston is having a down year. Dvoark is just a slightly younger version of Coyle.

You bruins fans are just so much used to Krejci, that you expect 70-80 points from a 2nd line centre. Dvorak last year had 31 points in 56 games. I don't how you calculate that a 40 point pace. As I said before he was playing injured since coming to Mtl. Let's check at the end of the year how he does.

Well I calculate using more than one year because players can have one really good year or bad year that isn't really indicative of their actual performance. The giveaway that I used more than one year should have been that I listed Hall as a linemate and Hall didn't play for ARZ last year. As for the rest, no I don't expect my 2C to put up 70-80pts and Krejci was honestly a luxury as he was a Top 30 producing center.

If we're talking 2C's, I look at it like this. There are 32 teams in the NHL so the Top 64 producing centers would considered "2C's" in the NHL. I put " " because the lower on the list you are the less "legit" of a 2C or 1C you are. Guys that are barley inside the top 64 are fringe 2C's because the guys just outside the Top 64 could jump up over the next few years or they may not be as productive but are better in an all around game. Over the last 3yrs the very bottom of that 64 ranking would be a center playing at a 45pt pace and the bottom of the 1C group (Top 32) would be a 65pt pace.

For reference, Dvoark over the last 3 years (not including this season because its not over) ranked 72nd in production among centers. He'd be a great 3C on a contender where the talent is typically deeper, but on a bad team (like ARZ & MTL) could be used in a 2C role. To be a legit 2C (for me) you need to be in the top 3rd of the guys ranked in the 2C bracket of 33rd to 64th.

There are teams have multiple 1line centres. For example Washington has Backstrom and Kuzy. Boston had Bergeron and krejci. PITTSBURGH has Crosby and Malkin etc. There are also teams that have a 1c and 2 2nd line centres. For example Carolina with aho,necas,staal,trocheck. FLORIDA with Barkov, Bennet,Verhage,Reinhart.
Proof that there is more than 32 line 1 centres . And surely more that 32 of 2nd line centres. Which means Dvorak is a 2nd line caliber player.

There are some names on here that don't play center (Verhaeghe, Necas) and some that aren't 2C's (Staal) lol. You're right there are some teams that are lucky to have two 1C's on their team. Put it this way if the NHL did an entire re-draft position by position. Not taking contract into account and just talent, is Dvoark one of the first 64 center selected? For me the answer is no. I put Dvoark in that same range as Charlie Coyle and that's a great 3C on a cup contender.

If you want to call Dvorak a "2nd line caliber player" then great you're welcome to your own opinion. As I've said he's a 3C on a contender and a 2C on a bad team, but if he's your 2C then odds are you're team is very deep talent wise and you're not going very far. Kind of funny the two teams with the least amount of points and the worst P% so far in the NHL this year are the two teams that Dvoark was the "2C" for.

BTW looking at some of those teams you mentioned...

WSH - 1st in the NHL
CAR - 2nd in the NHL
FLA - 4th in the NHL

^Those team are (GASP) all contenders!

PIT has been without Malkin all year and Crosby has missed time as well. Up until this 8 game win streak they had they were barley at .500

BOS saw Krejci leave to return home, needed Coyle to play to 2C and wouldn't you know it they've struggled and are battling just to get a wild card spot.

So you're saying Dvo was getting carried by Marner and Tkachuk in London? When they won the memorial cup

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I also agree a Top team in the nhl needs 2 good centres. IMO Habs centres are Suzuki 2nd line caliber, Dvorak 2nd line caliber. Evans 3rd line caliber, and peohling 4th line caliber

Not sure what that has to do with anything and it seems like you're trying to move the discussion in a different direction because you really don't have any counter points. With everything I just say you're only comment was to ask a question about his days playing junior hockey? Here's what I know, Marner in the NHL is just under a P/GP player for his career and Tkachuk has played at a 65 point pace for his career. Both guys have become 1st line players in the NHL for good teams.

BTW I noticed you didn't answer if Dvoark would be one of the first 64 center selected. I wonder why that is

If you want to count being a serviceable 2C on a bad team as a "2nd line caliber player" then great. No contender though is call MTL looking to add Dvoark as their missing piece to their top 6.

Dvo would not be picked top 64, but that is bc there is a surplus of good centres

So then how do you justify saying he's a 2C caliber player when you yourself wouldn't even rank him as one of the top 64 center in the NHL?

There wasn't Boston in the rumors to look to be a frontrunner for a Dvorak trade? What do you think they were looking at him for? To be 4th line centre? Obviously they thought of him as a 2nd line player

Bc as I told u a million times there are lists top 100 centres and they are all 1st to 2nd line caliber players

WTF are you even talking about? Barzal the last 3 years was top 25 in points among centers. This year he leads the Islanders in points and is playing at nearly a 70pt pace. He's one of the few reasons the Islanders aren't hanging out with ARZ and MTL in the basement of the NHL.

Boston was never a front runner for Dvorak lol. They kicked tires on him for a 3C role and had said early on that Coyle will be the first guy to get a look at 2C (which was a dumb idea itself as he's not a 2C). That kind of throws out your half baked "obviously they thought of him as a 2nd line player" comment out the window.

Where's this list? you have a link? The fact that you think there are 100 centers in the NHL that are at minimum 2nd line caliber players is hilarious. Let me ask you this, what is your criteria for a guy to be a 2C? Based on this discussion it seems like if they are breathing and in the NHL you think they are a 2C.

Sry misunderstood u