I know Buffalo wants Trouba...

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Dano, Marko	2	$1,250,000
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Poolman, Tucker	2	$925,000

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26	$75,000,000	$62,045,832	$0	$5,320,000	$12,954,168

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Connor, Kyle $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW UFA - 2	Roslovic, Jack $894,166$894,166 ($212,500$212K) C, RW UFA - 3	Petan, Nicolas $758,333$758,333 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
Moulson, Matt $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2		Dano, Marko $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
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Mar. 29, 2017 at 6:41 p.m.

#1

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Sabres say hell no!

Ristolainen is a top pairing defenseman and is better than Trouba.

Guhle has top 4 potential and plays on the left side, which the Sabres need really bad, and he is unbelievably fast.

Las Vegas already owes GMTM a favor and will probably take Moulson I the expansion draft.

Mar. 29, 2017 at 6:54 p.m.

#2

Jdp

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Everyone wants Trouba but nobody wants to pay that much...

Mar. 29, 2017 at 7:15 p.m.

#3

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In my opinion Trouba, 1st round pick (8-12), 2nd round pick wouldn't even get ristiolainen, but that's just me.

Mar. 29, 2017 at 7:45 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

In my opinion Trouba, 1st round pick (8-12), 2nd round pick wouldn't even get ristiolainen, but that's just me.

Nope, believe it or not, it's not just you

Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:01 p.m.

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Edited Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:06 p.m.

Quoting: Zach

Sabres say hell no!

Ristolainen is a top pairing defenseman and is better than Trouba.

Guhle has top 4 potential and plays on the left side, which the Sabres need really bad, and he is unbelievably fast.

Las Vegas already owes GMTM a favor and will probably take Moulson I the expansion draft.

what makes you say that Risto is better than Trouba? I am curious on why you say that? Is it just bc he produces more points? Sure Risto has 44 points this year, but the vast majority of them on are the PP...one of the best PPs in the league this year. 5v5 I think he has only like something like 18 points, Trouba has 25. Trouba doesnt play nearly the PP minutes as Risto does, 90 TOI PP mantes for Trouba vs 244mins in Risto.

And once you start to look at the advance stats of the 2, Trouba has very impressive possession and shot suppression numbers compared to very bleak ones in Risto.

I like Risto, I think hes a top end puck moving Dman, but lets not discredit how good and complete of a Dman Trouba is. He really is a beast out there

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Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:16 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

Quoting: Zach

Sabres say hell no!

Ristolainen is a top pairing defenseman and is better than Trouba.

Guhle has top 4 potential and plays on the left side, which the Sabres need really bad, and he is unbelievably fast.

Las Vegas already owes GMTM a favor and will probably take Moulson I the expansion draft.

what makes you say that Risto is better than Trouba? I am curious on why you say that? Is it just bc he produces more points? Sure Risto has 44 points this year, but the vast majority of them on are the PP...one of the best PPs in the league this year. 5v5 I think he has only like something like 18 points, Trouba has 25. Trouba doesnt play nearly the PP minutes as Risto does, 90 TOI PP mantes for Trouba vs 244mins in Risto.

And once you start to look at the advance stats of the 2, Trouba has very impressive possession and shot suppression numbers compared to very bleak ones in Risto.

I like Risto, I think hes a top end puck moving Dman, but lets not discredit how good and complete of a Dman Trouba is. He really is a beast out there

Trouba is a complete defenseman, but Ristolainen plays better offense and is an excellent PP QB. Trouba can't do what Risto does on the PP. Ristolainen plays the heavier game, and he can physically intimidate a player and still be more of a weapon than Trouba. Also, Ristolainen has been a lot more consistent on both ends of the ice.

Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:19 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

Quoting: Zach

Sabres say hell no!

Ristolainen is a top pairing defenseman and is better than Trouba.

Guhle has top 4 potential and plays on the left side, which the Sabres need really bad, and he is unbelievably fast.

Las Vegas already owes GMTM a favor and will probably take Moulson I the expansion draft.

what makes you say that Risto is better than Trouba? I am curious on why you say that? Is it just bc he produces more points? Sure Risto has 44 points this year, but the vast majority of them on are the PP...one of the best PPs in the league this year. 5v5 I think he has only like something like 18 points, Trouba has 25. Trouba doesnt play nearly the PP minutes as Risto does, 90 TOI PP mantes for Trouba vs 244mins in Risto.

And once you start to look at the advance stats of the 2, Trouba has very impressive possession and shot suppression numbers compared to very bleak ones in Risto.

I like Risto, I think hes a top end puck moving Dman, but lets not discredit how good and complete of a Dman Trouba is. He really is a beast out there

If i could re-draft the 2013 draft, Ristiolainen would go 1st overall probably. Who would you rather have? A guy who eventually could be a top 10 D-Man in the league, or a good, middle pairing level D-Man?

Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:20 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: coga16

what makes you say that Risto is better than Trouba? I am curious on why you say that? Is it just bc he produces more points? Sure Risto has 44 points this year, but the vast majority of them on are the PP...one of the best PPs in the league this year. 5v5 I think he has only like something like 18 points, Trouba has 25. Trouba doesnt play nearly the PP minutes as Risto does, 90 TOI PP mantes for Trouba vs 244mins in Risto.

And once you start to look at the advance stats of the 2, Trouba has very impressive possession and shot suppression numbers compared to very bleak ones in Risto.

I like Risto, I think hes a top end puck moving Dman, but lets not discredit how good and complete of a Dman Trouba is. He really is a beast out there

If i could re-draft the 2013 draft, Ristiolainen would go 1st overall probably. Who would you rather have? A guy who eventually could be a top 10 D-Man in the league, or a good, middle pairing level D-Man?

wow your takes are always something else, your trolling is really an art at this point

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Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:23 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

If i could re-draft the 2013 draft, Ristiolainen would go 1st overall probably. Who would you rather have? A guy who eventually could be a top 10 D-Man in the league, or a good, middle pairing level D-Man?

wow your takes are always something else, your trolling is really an art at this point

Okay, maybe a i underrate Trouba, but maybe you overrated him too. I just don't think Trouba is one of the top 10 D-Men in the league like a lot of people do. Who would you rather have? Trouba or McDonagh? Trouba or Doughty? Trouba or Josi? Trouba or Ekman-Larsson? Just asking.

Mar. 29, 2017 at 8:43 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Okay, maybe a i underrate Trouba, but maybe you overrated him too. I just don't think Trouba is one of the top 10 D-Men in the league like a lot of people do. Who would you rather have? Trouba or McDonagh? Trouba or Doughty? Trouba or Josi? Trouba or Ekman-Larsson? Just asking.

based on Age. Probably Trouba in all those scenarios. You have to side with youth on this one a bit but it would be part to pass up OEL or Doughty bc of future potential.
based on Skill, probably just OEL and Doughty out of the mentioned bunched. I dont put Josi and McDonagh in the Top 10 Dmen if that is what you were implying

Mar. 29, 2017 at 9:37 p.m.

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Ristolainen is just under Jack Eichel when it comes to importance to Buffalo, he isn't going anywhere. If we could swing a deal where we acquire Trouba with a younger player like Reinhart, McCabe, or Guhle? Maybe

Mar. 30, 2017 at 2:19 a.m.

#12

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Quoting: coga16

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Okay, maybe a i underrate Trouba, but maybe you overrated him too. I just don't think Trouba is one of the top 10 D-Men in the league like a lot of people do. Who would you rather have? Trouba or McDonagh? Trouba or Doughty? Trouba or Josi? Trouba or Ekman-Larsson? Just asking.

based on Age. Probably Trouba in all those scenarios. You have to side with youth on this one a bit but it would be part to pass up OEL or Doughty bc of future potential.
based on Skill, probably just OEL and Doughty out of the mentioned bunched. I dont put Josi and McDonagh in the Top 10 Dmen if that is what you were implying

Not trying to be mean, but i'd have to disagree with you there. Doughty's 4 years older that Trouba and EkmanLarsson is 2 years older. I would definitely take Doughty over Trouba. Who would you rather have? McDavid or Trouba?

Mar. 30, 2017 at 8:38 a.m.

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Quoting: coga16

Quoting: Zach

Sabres say hell no!

Ristolainen is a top pairing defenseman and is better than Trouba.

Guhle has top 4 potential and plays on the left side, which the Sabres need really bad, and he is unbelievably fast.

Las Vegas already owes GMTM a favor and will probably take Moulson I the expansion draft.

what makes you say that Risto is better than Trouba? I am curious on why you say that? Is it just bc he produces more points? Sure Risto has 44 points this year, but the vast majority of them on are the PP...one of the best PPs in the league this year. 5v5 I think he has only like something like 18 points, Trouba has 25. Trouba doesnt play nearly the PP minutes as Risto does, 90 TOI PP mantes for Trouba vs 244mins in Risto.

And once you start to look at the advance stats of the 2, Trouba has very impressive possession and shot suppression numbers compared to very bleak ones in Risto.

I like Risto, I think hes a top end puck moving Dman, but lets not discredit how good and complete of a Dman Trouba is. He really is a beast out there

Don't you go getting all factual on our fanboyeurism now!

Mar. 30, 2017 at 9:57 a.m.

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This whole thread has no point anyways. Who in their right mind gives up a top 4RHD putting up over 50 points annually for free? You lost me as soon as I saw that.

Mar. 30, 2017 at 10:12 a.m.

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Ristolainen will be around a 45-50 point D man Trouba will never put up those kind of number, Trouba to Buffalo over Ristolainen would be a downgrade for Buffalo why would they ever consider that deal. And i seriously doubt Trouba would sign long term with Buffalo any ways still think he comes home to Detroit in 3 years or so.

Mar. 30, 2017 at 10:47 a.m.

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More importantly what is the point of trading one RH great dman for another? (Subban vs Weber was for other reasons)

Even if this worked out for both teams and both go on to be great players they are, what does it do for both teams? Nothing. They'd be in the exact same boat as before.

Just as an analogy, Its like trading Gretzky for Lemieux. Whats the point?

Mar. 30, 2017 at 2:27 p.m.

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Quoting: F50marco

More importantly what is the point of trading one RH great dman for another? (Subban vs Weber was for other reasons)

Even if this worked out for both teams and both go on to be great players they are, what does it do for both teams? Nothing. They'd be in the exact same boat as before.

Just as an analogy, Its like trading Gretzky for Lemieux. Whats the point?

I just think that it seems like BUF is adding onto Ristiolainen to get Trouba. I don't see Trouba as a top 2 defenseman. Top 4? Yes. Top 2? Not really in my opinion. Just like i see Erik Karlsson as a top 10 D-Man in the league, but not top 5. Ristiolainen would also probably go top 10 D-Men in the league right now.

Mar. 30, 2017 at 2:52 p.m.

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Why would we trade our #1 Dman and our #1 Prospect Dman to get a less productive Top4 Dman?

Mar. 31, 2017 at 4:11 p.m.

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Why would we trade our #1 Dman and our #1 Prospect Dman to get a less productive Top4 Dman?

In my opinion it's too much for Trouba. Not sure whether you're saying you think it's too much for Trouba or not.

Mar. 31, 2017 at 4:18 p.m.

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I can't tell if "rangersandislesfan" is a world-class troller or he's just incredibly du

Mar. 31, 2017 at 4:19 p.m.

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I can't tell if "rangersandislesfan" is a world-class troller or he's just incredibly du

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