not near enough for Ellis... plus i doubt they want Leipsic back since they were the ones that drafted him lol

Leipsic and Marchenko don't even come close to getting you Ellis, This is terrible for Nashville.

Couple things;

1) Leipsic is a very good skilled player
2) They do this so they don't lose Ellis for nothing. They get back quality players. If it was a different time of year and W/O the expansion draft, then yes I agree that he is worth more but that's not the case here.

Read above.

Are you signing UFAs Komarov and JVR in the summer of 2018 and then trading them shortly after? You would think if the Leafs two trading partners had wanted those guys, they would have signed them as UFAs, and possibly the UFAs would have NTCs.

In my opinion Ellis is overrated. Leipsic is the leafs' top prospect.

Why would they lose Ellis for nothing? He'll be protected in expansion regardless of which format they go with, and they can afford to re-sign him too.

Aside from that, I just disagree with you pretty drastically on how you're valuing some of these players. It's kind of all over the place by my valuations. Travis Dermott is a good player, but I haven't heard anyone say they think he's a top-2 guy. That's a very generous return for Komarov too, and I think they'd be happy just to get a third or fourth round pick from him. Maybe a second at the deadline next year if he's having a good season. Kapanen and Leipsec are decent prospects with top-6 potential, but they aren't anywhere near being as good as Marner. Johanssen is like Pasternak?! How in the hell do you draw that comparison?!

I also don't see anywhere who you're losing to expansion. This post comes across as extremely homerish to me.

No palhal, read the description.

It says that they are traded before 2018-19. Which would be this upcoming season/summer.

They are most likely going to go with Ekholm over Ellis, so making the latter exposed if they go with the 7/3/1 format.

Watch Dermott play, then you'll see why I said that.

Look at Hanzal's return (granted it was at the TD) but Komarov is a decent player that can pull in a decent return. Maybe not a 2nd and a 5th/3rd but should be around those lines.

Kapanen is a very very good player. Okay, I exaggerated there but what I meant was that their styles are like Marner/Nylander. Leipsic is also a really good player. 'Slick' player.

Have you watched him play? By the looks of things, it doesn't seem like it. Do you think Pasta last year or even two years ago was as good as he is now? No. Not at all. Johnsson plays a similar style to him but at that same point of development as Pasta was 1/2 years ago.

Well, this is two years after

HockeyMind: People get caught up in where a guys plays, a number 1, 2 or whatever. But if your an NHL Dman even if you get the least minutes, a game lets say 17 minutes a game, you better be NHL good.
Dermot, is the Leafs top Dman prospect. He should be an NHLer by the fall of 2018, maybe even sooner. He had a good start in his first pro season, then was injured, high ankle sprain, and what I have seen of him lately, he's looks good and confident. Kapanen, is another guy....who shows NHL stuff in the AHL and even somewhat last year with the Leafs.
Leipsic, Rychel, Johnson...I not so high on, but they seemed to have a better season in the AHL. Can any of those guys becoming NHLers or even good NHLers? Next year is a big year for those guys. If they are in the AHL next season, I'd say they will never be difference makers in the NHL.

I have the Preds protecting 4 D and leaving Smith, Wilson or Jankrok exposed. Ekholm and Ellis are more valuable to their team than these forwards so it would make sense that Nashville would be ok with losing one of these players. I would if I was them. So I don't see how anyone can make a case for having to trade a good top 4 dman for an underwhelming return to to avoid losing him in expansion.

That's very ignorant to say that they will never be difference makers in the NHL if they don't make it by next season.

1) They are still 21/22 years old. Give it some time.
2) It's not up to them, it's the Leafs management's choice to bring them up. The Leafs have too many players at the forward position that they need to make smart moves to make a smooth transition for the young guns.

Wilson and Jarnkrok are very valuable pieces of their core. So that's a no. Preds have some good Dman coming up the pipeline. They can afford to lose Ellis if anything. And Leipsic is not underwhelming. Guarantee you that.

Sorry Mr Cap, I'm not being ignorant. You just have to think all Leaf prospects are going to magnificent Leafs players. If they were so great they would be on the time now. You should attend some Marlie games and Leafs games and see the skill set that he needed to be NHLers. Big difference between AHL and NHL.
You should at least by factual when you contradict my opinion. None of the players are 21 years old. All are 22. Will be 23 in May, October and November. In the NHL hockey if they haven't made to the show by next season, with all their pro experience in the minors....unlikely they will ever see significant NHL time. So IMO I am correct. Unless they make the NHL next year in their 4th pro seasons, they do get passed by other younger guys with more promise. Still doesn't mean it that can't make it do the NHL, but their changes diminish greatly.

I know there is a big - if not huge - difference between an AHLer and an NHLer. What I'm saying is that you can't say that they won't be nothing because players always improve all the time. You are not correct because you can't see the fact that you don't have to be 21/22 for these players to make the NHL. It might take some time but they can make it at 24/25 and still be one of the best. Panarin is an example. Sure he played in the KHL but NHL GM's only wanted him to come overseas when he was 23. Wasn't good enough before.

Ok buddy, whatever you say. Dream on.