how is petry a replacement for Klingberg when he's older and worse?

Well would you look at that. The 10,001st consecutive habs post that involves trading Petry, but insisting he’s worth something.

Nothing too outlandish, but remove the retention from Petry and Toffoli. Even if it means a lower return, it's just not worth locking up retention spots for what's shown here.
You'll get more value on retention saving them for rentals or to accommodate trades for other teams and you can use them every year.

Not paying a 1st for a borderline cap dump, certainly not while it could be a top 15 pick in a strong draft.

he's not a pound for pound replacement. he's a cheaper alternative because you won't be signing him back

he scored 40 points for the last 4 years. this year he just dont want to play, it's not that he can't just that he won't

how does he have a negative value? he was litterallly one of the best d of the league for three year straight.

Edmonton declines. If anything they need a starter, and Allen isn't that.

Well as of right now he isn’t doing good, plus he’s 34 which means he isn’t getting any better as the days go by.

Even as a 40 point dman, he isn’t worth our 1st. There’s not a lot of players worth moving that pick for.

Call Dallas when his production gets better, as of right now he is not of interest. Better and cheaper options are available.

Well, first off, that’s really questionable. Ya, he was 13th in Norris voting last year playing in that cupcake division and racking up the points, but that’s a career peak that pretty clearly had some external influence.

Anyhow, lets just gloss over that because it doesn’t really matter. What he did the last three years doesnt’ matter. He stinks now, and its probably because he’s old. Stinks, old, long term big contract. Obviously thats negative value.

If he isn’t, the habs can just keep him.

i might have over-reached with the first, but he's a quality asset that would help you alot to replace klingberg on the PP and on 5 v 5. would a second plus a prospect do it for you?

his wife and kids are in another country, he's been vocal about wanting to leave and he's part of one of the worst team of the decade. this is clearly not what he's capable of. he,s a far superior plyer then what he's showed the last 30 ish games

A 2nd would be the most I’d pay for him, if there’s a prospect added it’d be a lower end one, and that’s if Jim Nill believes his production will go back up because by the looks of it, it’s a risk to take.

How about the Oilers send you Barrie for a 2nd or 3rd instead of Petry?

I mean I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea. Rather it be a 3rd then a 2nd, but if there’s no better option I’d be willing to split ways with the 2nd.

Oh right so the rest of the league is just supposed to think, “hmmmm, this player is declining at the age when most players really start to decline. But Montreal says its just because he’s away from his family. 6.25M until he’s 38? How does a first round pick sound?!?”

Get real. If you honestly think that’s the reason for his poor performance, trading him now would be really stupid. Wait a year so he can bounce back…at age 35 mind you, and then try to move him.

we don't need him and he asked to be traded now so we don't have a big window to do so. and you'd know he's still a good player if you'd watch him play. he still is one of the best skater on the ice he just doesn't care enough.

Ohhhhhh now he just doesn’t care? So a team is supposed to be giving up major assets to get a guy so broken down he just doesn’t care?

This shouldn’t be hard, so just try it out with me. Let’s pretend what you’re saying is true here. That it has nothing to do with him being an age where people decline all the time. He just misses his family and when he’s 35, 36, and 37, he’s gonna snap right back and be great!

Why is another team supposed to pay up for that risk? Can you make an honest case for that? I think you can maybe make a case for someone taking Petry for free, even though its probably a bit of a stretch, but to give up a first rounder for him is kind of insanity, even at 50% retained.

The end point is that he's still a good defenseman so clearly he should bring back something. I'm biased and clearly i've over-asked for him but he's not the horrible player you're trying to paint him has.

Nothing in this league is as simple as, “he’s a good player, he has value.” Every players value is a function of their contract (term and AAV, sometimes structure and real dollars owed), and their performance.

Good is a spectrum. Is Petry an NHL defensemen? Certainly. Is he high end? Of course not. Jeff Skinner is playing pretty well this year. He’ll probably score 30 goals. Does he have value? Of course not. He’s about to turn 30, and is getting paid too much for too long. If Petry was in the last year of his deal getting $4M, I’m sure he would net a return. But that’s not the case. His value is negative. Montreal would need to pay to move him. This much is very clear.