Hertl trade gets beat, don’t know if NJD moves Graves, and I’d think rather add 3RD for depth over Clifton, even maybe Braun if you want to keep it with PHI and I’m sure they’d retain 50%, not a lot of upgrade but lot more experience and some veteran presence wouldn’t hurt to bad, again not best option but viable/ and still cheap one for sure

Sharks want quality over quantity

NJD decline quickly.

Any examples of a similar rental, or any rental for that matter getting more?

Your ideal TDL has overpaying for Ryan Graves?

Players like Hertl aren't often available at the TDL but most hockey journalists have him returning an A level prospect and a 1st. This deal has a pile of literal cap dumps for a supreme top line Center. Boston will be easily outbid if this is there real offer. Facts.

Phhhhhhh. A supreme top line center? He’s a low end top line center when he’s playing his best hockey, which luckily he is now.

This package is north of a 1st and an A prospect.

Also why the hell do people say facts after saying something that is literally not a fact. That is your subjective opinion. Be better. “Facts.”

DeBrusk is a vastly overpaid 4th liner. Moore is a 31 year old 7th dman also overpaid. Studnicka is a decent prospect but thats it, he's not looked good in the NHL. Your picks are late round picks. It simply isn't enough. FACTS. #dealwithit

This is an okay hockeydb summary. Sort of.

Debrusk for all his slumps has a career 82 game average of 22-22-44. He’s been playing great (seriously, he’s been buzzing. Seven points in 11 or so games i want to say, but good all around game)
Moore isn’t even a 7th d man. He stinks. Pure cap dump.
Studnicka has actually looked pretty darn good at the NHL level. The bruins allergy to injecting youth continues, this is nothing new.

So no, once again, your opinions are inherently not facts. Does someone need to teach you what that word means?

Either way, find me instances of rentals going for this much. I’ve already done the work for you, so I know you’re not going to come back with much. Rick Nash is probably your best bet. Widely viewed as a preposterous overpay, and at least Nash had a boat load of 40 goal seasons on his resume. Your, “supreme,” which, while we’re on the topic of definitions you should probably learn, first line center is 32nd in points among centers over the past five years (the best of his career). 35th in points per game. 353rd in plus minus.

Yikes.

Sorry but I am going to trust the people who actually work in hockey to tell me Hertl's value over some guy on capfriendly. No offense, I am sure you're well-regarded in your circles but you're often very brash and argumentative on here and pretty polarizing. Even B's fans seem to be embarrassed by you - which is impressive.

Any examples of you making non biased trade proposals?

I do not think NJD would trade Graves for pick(s). It would probably only be to improve the roster elsewhere. Our LD prospects are pretty solid and Siegenthaler's emergence has probably made a Graves move more palatable. But we would need to bridge now and whenever Mukhamadullin, Bahl, Okhotiuk, Hughes, etc are ready.

Taylor Hall 2019
Jeff Carter 2011
Max Pacioretty 2018

After further review…

no.

I’m sorry, did you say Jeff carter? I asked for similar rentals and you give me a guy that had TWELVE (12) years on his deal? Yikes dude.
Hall, a recent MVP. Ya, little different than a guy thats cracked 50 points once in his career.
And lastly pacioretty. Probably your best whack, especially considering the recent success of suzuki. But at the time? Not really. It was a good, but undersized prospect and a 2nd with a cap dump.

Do you think this is my ACGM or something?

Want to run through this again?
You say Hertl is worth more than any rental ever.
I ask for examples of similar deals that would lead you to believe this.
You call me a homer or something.
Again, I ask for any sort of precedent for that return.
You call me ignorant or something, then your internet goes out or something because you get really quiet for a while.

Find me someone that works in hockey that said he’s worth something like this. Just one would do. I think its pretty much only sharks fans.

Forgot he signed extension in Philly. Hall and Patches work though.
Debrusk has limited value in a trade this size, is mostly a cap move. Studnicka is a tweener. Moore is full cap dump. And picks.
There are rentals that return more every year...I don't know whats so controversial here.

I think we're all done reading your comments. Have a nice weekend.

Hall would be a good example….if Hertl had won an MVP anytime in the last couple years.
Pacioretty would be a good example….if the return was actually big. No first rounder. One good, but flawed prospect (i get what he turned into, but thats not what his value was at time of trade), a 2nd, and a multi year cap dump.

In terms of this boston package, the first and the second top the vast majority of rental deals, even on the high end of things.
Debrusk for all of his slumps as still played at an 82 game pace of 22-22-44. That doesn’t suck, especially with his performance lately over the last six weeks or so. I think the absolute floor of his price is a second round pick.
Studnicka - man, i just don’t know what to say because I think its borderline criminal how the bruins have mismanaged him. In terms of value, probably not too much, which is a real shame. He’s played well at every level including the NHL, but its tough to tell a potential trade partner that he has value when they keep sending him down.
Moore is a pure cap dump, i think somewhat offset by studnicka.

That kind of return is absolutely not seen every year.
Hall got a good return, as a recent MVP winner, and even then it was a first, third, and three, “meh,” prospects.

It seems like a lot of Sharks fans keep on talking about how common it is, but can’t really give any examples.

Ohhhhh what a shocker.
First its that they can’t find any examples of prior trades that are similar.
Then they can’t find any sort of evidence as to why hertl is elite, or “supreme,” as you laughably said
Then they can’t find any of these, “experts,” to back them up.

The routine is so predictable. You guys are in California! It’s sunny, its warm, be happy! There’s no reason to play this little denial game.

I have a hard time seeing Boston offer Debrusk a qualifying offer unless he goes on a run down the stretch. Best case, negotiate a deal before hand for something close to what he is making now. But it does limit his value in a deal like this because if other team says, "yeah, no thanks. If he is worth a 2nd, just give us the 2nd" then - no deal - or its more expensive to go find a 2nd.



Hall return
- Nick Merkley (who eventually turned into a depth d-man via trade with sharks)
- Kevin Bahl (who has middle-4 potential)
- Nate Schnarr (who is outscoring Studnicka in AHL this year)
- Dawson Mercer (via 1st pick)
- Jonas Siegenthaler (NHL leader in defensive WAR, via 3rd pick)

"Meh"

I live in Chicago but good guess.

Man ahaha I forgot about that huge trade ahaha, I remember one of my friend saying that the coyotes were about to be the next superteams ahahaha. He kept telling that they were gonna make the playoffs. But this trade was such an overpay, not looking back but on the same day. Hall with 1 year left with 3M retain wasn’t worth that much.

I’m not complaining.
It’s also amazing to the contrast vs Bjork/2nd.