TOP 50 Dmen today and TOP 50 in Future

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Created by: AFox23

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Initial Creation Date: Feb. 7, 2022

Published: Feb. 7, 2022

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I ranked the top 50 defensemen right now (age 23 and up). And the top 50 that are under 23 years old today. Some of the under 23 names would have appeared on top-50 overall list, but I didn't want players both lists.

How did I do? Agree or disagree?

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
164	$81,500,000	$403,011,777	$0	$12,180,000	-$321,511,777

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Top-50, OVERALL 23 $750,000$750,000	RANK, RANK $750,000$750,000	Top-50, Under 23 years $750,000$750,000
Hedman, Victor $7,875,000$7,875,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Number, --1-- $750,000$750,000	Heiskanen, Miro $8,450,000$8,450,000 LD/RD UFA - 8
Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 6	Number, --2-- $750,000$750,000	Sanderson, Jake $750,000$750,000
Fox, Adam $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1	Number, --3-- $750,000$750,000	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 3
Josi, Roman $9,059,000$9,059,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Number, --4-- $750,000$750,000	Power, Owen $750,000$750,000
Pietrangelo, Alex $8,800,000$8,800,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Number, --5-- $750,000$750,000	Hughes, Luke $750,000$750,000
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Number, --6-- $750,000$750,000	Drysdale, Jamie $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2
Werenski, Zachary $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Number, --7-- $750,000$750,000	Edvinsson, Simon $750,000$750,000
Pulock, Ryan $5,000,000$5,000,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --8-- $750,000$750,000	Byram, Bowen $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD RFA - 2
Ekblad, Aaron $7,500,000$7,500,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Number, --9-- $750,000$750,000	Dahlin, Rasmus $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 3
Jones, Seth $5,400,000$5,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Number, --10-- $750,000$750,000	Fehérváry, Martin $791,667$791,667 ($132,500$132K) LD/RD RFA - 2
Theodore, Shea $5,200,000$5,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Number, --11-- $750,000$750,000	Schneider, Braden $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 3
Deangelo, Anthony $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --12-- $750,000$750,000	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2
Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 5	Number, --13-- $750,000$750,000	Morrow, Scott $750,000$750,000
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 3	Number, --14-- $750,000$750,000	Miller, K'Andre $925,000$925,000 ($350,000$350K) LD RFA - 2
Andersson, Rasmus $4,550,000$4,550,000 RD UFA - 5	Number, --15-- $750,000$750,000	Dobson, Noah $894,167$894,167 ($537,500$538K) RD RFA - 1
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Number, --16-- $750,000$750,000	Boqvist, Adam $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1
Pelech, Adam $5,750,000$5,750,000 LD UFA - 8	Number, --17-- $750,000$750,000	Addison, Calen $795,000$795,000 ($132,500$132K) RD RFA - 2
Weegar, MacKenzie $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Number, --18-- $750,000$750,000	Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($637,500$638K) LD RFA - 1
McAvoy, Charlie $4,900,000$4,900,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --19-- $750,000$750,000	Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 6
Ekholm, Mattias $3,750,000$3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Number, --20-- $750,000$750,000	Clarke, Brandt $925,000$925,000 RD RFA - 5
Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Number, --21-- $750,000$750,000	Jones, Zachary $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 2
Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Number, --22-- $750,000$750,000	Lambos, Carson $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 5
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 1	Number, --23-- $750,000$750,000	Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 1
Lindholm, Hampus $2,602,778$2,602,778 LD UFA - 1	Number, --24-- $750,000$750,000	Walsh, Reilly $925,000$925,000 RD UFA - 2
Parayko, Colton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --25-- $750,000$750,000	Ceulemans, Corson $750,000$750,000
Sergachev, Mikhail $4,800,000$4,800,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Number, --26-- $750,000$750,000	Alexeyev, Alexander $863,333$863,333 LD/RD RFA - 2
Spurgeon, Jared $7,575,000$7,575,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Number, --27-- $750,000$750,000	Faber, Brock $750,000$750,000
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000$5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Number, --28-- $750,000$750,000	Söderström, Victor $863,333$863,333 ($500,000$500K) RD RFA - 3
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 7	Number, --29-- $750,000$750,000	Wallinder, William $750,000$750,000
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 6	Number, --30-- $750,000$750,000	Heinola, Ville $863,333$863,333 LD RFA - 3
Klingberg, John $4,250,000$4,250,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --31-- $750,000$750,000	Mukhamadullin, Shakir $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 4
Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000$6,250,000 RD UFA - 6	Number, --32-- $750,000$750,000	Helleson, Drew $750,000$750,000
Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Number, --33-- $750,000$750,000	Harley, Thomas $863,333$863,333 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 3
Lindgren, Ryan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD RFA - 3	Number, --34-- $750,000$750,000	Niemela, Topi $750,000$750,000
Orlov, Dmitry $1,275,000$1,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Number, --35-- $750,000$750,000	Cormier, Lukas $811,667$811,667 LD RFA - 4
Whitecloud, Zach $725,000$725,000 RD UFA - 1	Number, --36-- $750,000$750,000	Moser, J.J. $886,667$886,667 ($82,500$82K) LD/RD RFA - 3
McDonagh, Ryan $6,750,000$6,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 5	Number, --37-- $750,000$750,000	Bernard-Docker, Jacob $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) RD RFA - 2
Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 2	Number, --38-- $750,000$750,000	Grans, Helge $870,000$870,000 RD RFA - 4
Morrissey, Joshua $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD UFA - 7	Number, --39-- $750,000$750,000	Smith, Ty $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) LD/RD RFA - 2
Doughty, Drew $11,000,000$11,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Number, --40-- $750,000$750,000	Grushnikov, Artem $750,000$750,000
Kylington, Oliver $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Number, --41-- $750,000$750,000	York, Cam $880,833$880,833 ($425,000$425K) LD/RD RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark $3,375,000$3,375,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Number, --42-- $750,000$750,000	Guhle, Kaiden $894,167$894,167 LD/RD RFA - 4
Lindell, Esa $5,800,000$5,800,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Number, --43-- $750,000$750,000	Ufko, Ryan $750,000$750,000
Dumba, Matt $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Number, --44-- $750,000$750,000	Broberg, Philip $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 3
Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Number, --45-- $750,000$750,000	Andrae, Emil $750,000$750,000
Tanev, Christopher $1,125,000$1,125,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Number, --46-- $750,000$750,000	Okhotiuk, Nikita $789,167$789,167 ($132,500$132K) LD RFA - 3
Siegenthaler, Jonas $1,125,000$1,125,000 LD UFA - 2	Number, --47-- $750,000$750,000	Thrunn, Henry $750,000$750,000
Krug, Torey $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD NTC UFA - 6	Number, --48-- $750,000$750,000	Lohrei, Mason $750,000$750,000
Carrier, Alexandre $733,333$733,333 RD UFA - 2	Number, --49-- $750,000$750,000	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 3
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 6	Number, --50-- $750,000$750,000	Thompson, Jack $850,833$850,833 RD RFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
HONORABLE MENTIONS, Overall 23 up $750,000$750,000		HONORABLE MENTIONS, Under 23 $750,000$750,000
Braun, Justin $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1		Bahl, Kevin $795,000$795,000 ($107,500$108K) LD RFA - 2
Brodin, Jonas $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 7		Iorio, Vincent $875,833$875,833 RD RFA - 5
Carlo, Brandon $4,100,000$4,100,000 RD UFA - 6		Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $863,333$863,333 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 1
Dunn, Vince $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 2		Kirsanov, Kirill $750,000$750,000
Fowler, Cam $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 5		Lundkvist, Nils $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 3
Hanifin, Noah $1,237,500$1,237,500 LD UFA - 3		Puutio, Kasper $750,000$750,000
Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1		Richard, Guillaume $750,000$750,000
Murphy, Connor $3,850,000$3,850,000 RD UFA - 1		Robertson, Matthew $797,500$797,500 ($132,500$132K) LD RFA - 3
Provorov, Ivan $4,725,000$4,725,000 LD UFA - 4		Sebrango, Donovan $850,833$850,833 LD RFA - 4
Suter, Ryan $3,650,000$3,650,000 LD NMC UFA - 4		Svozil, Stanislav $870,000$870,000 LD RFA - 5

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FORWARDS (153)
Right Wing: Under 23 years Top-50 ($750,000) - Miro Heiskanen ($8,450,000) - Jake Sanderson ($750,000) - Moritz Seider ($863,333) - Owen Power ($750,000) - Luke Hughes ($750,000) - Jamie Drysdale ($925,000) - Simon Edvinsson ($750,000) - Bowen Byram ($894,167) - Rasmus Dahlin ($6,000,000) - Martin Fehérváry ($791,667) - Braden Schneider ($925,000) - Evan Bouchard ($863,333) - Scott Morrow ($750,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Noah Dobson ($894,167) - Adam Boqvist ($894,167) - Calen Addison ($795,000) - Alexander Romanov ($894,167) - Quinn Hughes ($7,850,000) - Brandt Clarke ($925,000) - Zachary Jones ($925,000) - Carson Lambos ($925,000) - Rasmus Sandin ($894,167) - Reilly Walsh ($925,000) - Corson Ceulemans ($750,000) - Alexander Alexeyev ($863,333) - Brock Faber ($750,000) - Victor Söderström ($863,333) - William Wallinder ($750,000) - Ville Heinola ($863,333) - Shakir Mukhamadullin ($925,000) - Drew Helleson ($750,000) - Thomas Harley ($863,333) - Topi Niemela ($750,000) - Lukas Cormier ($811,667) - J.J. Moser ($886,667) - Jacob Bernard-Docker ($925,000) - Helge Grans ($870,000) - Ty Smith ($863,333) - Artem Grushnikov ($750,000) - Cam York ($880,833) - Kaiden Guhle ($894,167) - Ryan Ufko ($750,000) - Philip Broberg ($863,333) - Emil Andrae ($750,000) - Nikita Okhotiuk ($789,167) - Henry Thrunn ($750,000) - Mason Lohrei ($750,000) - Justin Barron ($925,000) - Jack Thompson ($850,833)
Centre: RANK RANK ($750,000) - --1-- Number ($750,000) - --2-- Number ($750,000) - --3-- Number ($750,000) - --4-- Number ($750,000) - --5-- Number ($750,000) - --6-- Number ($750,000) - --7-- Number ($750,000) - --8-- Number ($750,000) - --9-- Number ($750,000) - --10-- Number ($750,000) - --11-- Number ($750,000) - --12-- Number ($750,000) - --13-- Number ($750,000) - --14-- Number ($750,000) - --15-- Number ($750,000) - --16-- Number ($750,000) - --17-- Number ($750,000) - --18-- Number ($750,000) - --19-- Number ($750,000) - --20-- Number ($750,000) - --21-- Number ($750,000) - --22-- Number ($750,000) - --23-- Number ($750,000) - --24-- Number ($750,000) - --25-- Number ($750,000) - --26-- Number ($750,000) - --27-- Number ($750,000) - --28-- Number ($750,000) - --29-- Number ($750,000) - --30-- Number ($750,000) - --31-- Number ($750,000) - --32-- Number ($750,000) - --33-- Number ($750,000) - --34-- Number ($750,000) - --35-- Number ($750,000) - --36-- Number ($750,000) - --37-- Number ($750,000) - --38-- Number ($750,000) - --39-- Number ($750,000) - --40-- Number ($750,000) - --41-- Number ($750,000) - --42-- Number ($750,000) - --43-- Number ($750,000) - --44-- Number ($750,000) - --45-- Number ($750,000) - --46-- Number ($750,000) - --47-- Number ($750,000) - --48-- Number ($750,000) - --49-- Number ($750,000) - --50-- Number ($750,000)
Left Wing: OVERALL 23 Top-50 ($750,000) - Victor Hedman ($7,875,000) - Cale Makar ($9,000,000) - Adam Fox ($925,000) - Roman Josi ($9,059,000) - Alex Pietrangelo ($8,800,000) - Jaccob Slavin ($5,300,000) - Zachary Werenski ($5,000,000) - Ryan Pulock ($5,000,000) - Aaron Ekblad ($7,500,000) - Seth Jones ($5,400,000) - Shea Theodore ($5,200,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($1,000,000) - John Carlson ($8,000,000) - Devon Toews ($4,100,000) - Rasmus Andersson ($4,550,000) - Jakob Chychrun ($4,600,000) - Adam Pelech ($5,750,000) - MacKenzie Weegar ($3,250,000) - Charlie McAvoy ($4,900,000) - Mattias Ekholm ($3,750,000) - Erik Karlsson ($10,000,000) - Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Morgan Rielly ($5,000,000) - Hampus Lindholm ($2,602,778) - Colton Parayko ($5,500,000) - Mikhail Sergachev ($4,800,000) - Jared Spurgeon ($7,575,000) - Darnell Nurse ($5,600,000) - Thomas Chabot ($8,000,000) - Samuel Girard ($5,000,000) - John Klingberg ($4,250,000) - Ryan Ellis ($6,250,000) - TJ Brodie ($5,000,000) - Ryan Lindgren ($3,000,000) - Dmitry Orlov ($1,275,000) - Zach Whitecloud ($725,000) - Ryan McDonagh ($6,750,000) - Damon Severson ($4,166,666) - Joshua Morrissey ($6,250,000) - Drew Doughty ($11,000,000) - Oliver Kylington ($750,000) - Mark Giordano ($3,375,000) - Esa Lindell ($5,800,000) - Matt Dumba ($6,000,000) - Brent Burns ($5,280,000) - Christopher Tanev ($1,125,000) - Jonas Siegenthaler ($1,125,000) - Torey Krug ($6,500,000) - Alexandre Carrier ($733,333) - Oliver Ekman-Larsson ($7,260,000)

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Roster Size: 164
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $403,011,777
Cap Space: -$321,511,777

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:08 a.m.

Imagine875948

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Letang goes right after Josi. I cant believe you put him in honorable mentions when hes been a top 10 defenseman every year. Top 5 this year

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:11 a.m.

mokumboi

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Edited Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:19 a.m.

Where the hell is Heiskanen on the now list? He's definitely top 10, and borderline top 5.

Edit: Whoa and you don;t have Quinn Hughes on the now list at all, either. Ehh?

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:15 a.m.

mokumboi

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Edited Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:49 a.m.

On the now list...

Too high: Deangelo (waaaay too high), Jones, Trouba, Lundgren (surprise surprise at those two), Severson, Morrissey, Giordano, Burns, OEL.

Way too low: McAvoy, Letang, Fowler, Brodin, Dumba.

And Faulk is better than almost half the players listed. He's not the guy you remember from Carolina anymore.

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:15 a.m.

BruinsFan35

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Things are looking up for the bruins back end in the future. McAvoy and Carlo are already great players, Lohrei looking like a stud prospect. Vaakanainen and Zboril (pre injury) have been awesome in the NHL this year. The bruins don’t have much in terms of future offensively, but at goaltending and defense is pretty well planned out looking forward

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:25 a.m.

AFox23

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Quoting: BruinsFan35

I thought Vaakainen has taken a step back? I used to be very high on him and had him top-15 or so d-men prospects.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:34 a.m.

AFox23

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Quoting: mokumboi

On the now list...

Too high: Deangelo (waaaay too high), Jones, Trouba, Lundgren (surprise surprise at those two), Severson, Morrissey, Giordano, Burns, OEL, Burns.

Way too low: McAvoy, Letang, Fowler, Brodin, Dumba.

And Faulk is better than almost half the players listed. He's not the guy you remember from Carolina anymore.

Whatever people's complaints about DeAngelo are...his performance on the ice justifies this ranking. He is a possible Norris contender. Trouba may be a bit higher that he should be, but Ryan Lindgren may be too low. He is probably the most underrated d-man in league.

Faulk is a negative player defensively this year. And doesn't provide enough offense to make up for it. Dumba has also seen a drop-off, specifically in his offensive game. He has been close to NHL average d-man this year. So he still sneaks into top-50 based on reputation, but maybe last time.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:34 a.m.

Devil

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@TZ11 He hates both brothers I guess

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:36 a.m.

Devil

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Quoting: mokumboi

Where the hell is Heiskanen on the now list? He's definitely top 10, and borderline top 5.

Edit: Whoa and you don;t have Quinn Hughes on the now list at all, either. Ehh?

Both are on the right side because they are under 23

Heiskanen is ranked 1st
Quinn Hughes is ranked 19th (way too low)

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:37 a.m.

AFox23

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Quoting: Imagine875948

Letang goes right after Josi. I cant believe you put him in honorable mentions when hes been a top 10 defenseman every year. Top 5 this year

There is not much left defensively and I view him now as an elite Power Play specialist, but probably 2nd pair guy elsewhere. Even the Pens announcers were talking about it in the last time I watched Pittsburgh broadcast.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:39 a.m.

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AFox23

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Quoting: mokumboi

Where the hell is Heiskanen on the now list? He's definitely top 10, and borderline top 5.

Edit: Whoa and you don;t have Quinn Hughes on the now list at all, either. Ehh?

I separated the players under 23 onto their own list and Miro and Quinn are both listed. It would have been too confusing to have them on two lists.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:40 a.m.

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AFox23

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Quoting: Devil

Both are on the right side because they are under 23

Heiskanen is ranked 1st
Quinn Hughes is ranked 19th (way too low)

Devils Fan, don't worry, I have Luke much higher. And Riley Walsh very high too with the progress he has made in AHL.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:56 a.m.

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You’ve got mcavoy about 14 spots too low (minimum). Jones, Deangelo, Petro, Pulock, Carlson, Chychrun above him is an absolute abomination.
Lindgren way way way too high (not on any top 100 list)

Feb. 7, 2022 at 7:57 a.m.

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Quoting: AFox23

I thought Vaakainen has taken a step back? I used to be very high on him and had him top-15 or so d-men prospects.

Been playing 20+ a night on the top pair. Did just get hit from behind by yanni gourde though, and looks to have a concussion.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:03 a.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: AFox23

I separated the players under 23 onto their own list and Miro and Quinn are both listed. It would have been too confusing to have them on two lists.

Hmm. Don't see why (now means now), but okay.

Quoting: AFox23

Whatever people's complaints about DeAngelo are...his performance on the ice justifies this ranking. He is a possible Norris contender.

Trouba may be a bit higher that he should be, but Ryan Lindgren may be too low. He is probably the most underrated d-man in league.

Faulk is a negative player defensively this year. And doesn't provide enough offense to make up for it.

Dumba has also seen a drop-off, specifically in his offensive game. He has been close to NHL average d-man this year. So he still sneaks into top-50 based on reputation, but maybe last time.

1- Oi vey... he's just bad defensively. So bad.

2- Surely, you must realize that Rangers (and ex-Rags apparently) seem to do exceedingly well on your lists.

3- Hahahaha WHAT??? He leads the league in defensive point shares. Among D-men with at least 400 minutes players this season, he's fifth in even strength GA/60. He hits, he makes blocks, he transitions out of the back.

4- Oh dear. I mean, it's beyond clear you don't watch Western Conference teams, but sheesh. Meanwhile, apparently Trouba is really a legit #1 D-man...

Anyway, thanks for the fun list. It's certainly a conversation piece.

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:12 a.m.

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Imagine875948

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Quoting: AFox23

Letang isnt slowing down any time soon. Hes a top 5 defenseman right now. The dude has been great on both ends of the ice. Hes a legit too pairing dman

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:14 a.m.

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Quoting: AFox23

I thought Vaakainen has taken a step back? I used to be very high on him and had him top-15 or so d-men prospects.

And you would’ve been correct, up until this season. He’s been very good for us since the call up and has earned himself a role in the top six.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:18 a.m.

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AustonMatthews3443

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Quoting: Imagine875948

Letang isnt slowing down any time soon. Hes a top 5 defenseman right now. The dude has been great on both ends of the ice. Hes a legit too pairing dman

He's definitely still great and absolutely a top pair dman but top 5 is pretty aggressive.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:21 a.m.

#18

Imagine875948

Pens are the best

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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443

He's definitely still great and absolutely a top pair dman but top 5 is pretty aggressive.

This year you could argue hes top 5. If not, #6.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:21 a.m.

#19

Imagine875948

Pens are the best

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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443

He's definitely still great and absolutely a top pair dman but top 5 is pretty aggressive.

This year you could argue hes top 5. If not, #6.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:26 a.m.

#20

AustonMatthews3443

Daddy

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Quoting: Imagine875948

This year you could argue hes top 5. If not, #6.

Off the top of my head, Makar, Fox, Josi, Hedman, Ekblad, McAvoy, Slavin, Toews, Heiskanen are all better then him I’m sure there’s a few I’m missing. He’s just not good enough defensively to make an argument for top 5.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:33 a.m.

#21

Imagine875948

Pens are the best

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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443

Hes been fine defensively wdym? I've watched every pens game since early January and hes been fine. Yes maybe a few mistakes, but overall it fine

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:36 a.m.

#22

AustonMatthews3443

Daddy

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Quoting: Imagine875948

Hes been fine defensively wdym? I've watched every pens game since early January and hes been fine. Yes maybe a few mistakes, but overall it fine

He's been bad defensively both by the eye test and analytically this year.

Feb. 7, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.

#23

Jfstompers

Pop Pop

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You should have just said over 23_and under 23 and saved yourself the trouble. Mcavoy is way better though.

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Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:25 a.m.

#24

vr1995

Banned

Joined: Aug. 2019

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disagree, youre all over the place

Feb. 7, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.

#25

HappyKampfers

Drover006

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Rielly too low

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